Help with great great great grandparents

[Tonyg]

I’m trying to trace the birth details of my great great great grandparents, Thomas Guest & Mary.

I’ve found the death certificate of Mary Guest showing she died on 3 August 1866 at the residence of her eldest son Thomas aged 93.
The census of 1851 & 1861 show her ages at 77 & 87 so consistent with her death age giving a possible birth mid 1773. Census gives birth as Gornal & Sedgley.

All children were born at St Thomas Dudley between 1797 & 1814.
Two of the children, Mary & my great great father Joseph have the second forename of Whitehouse.

The only marriage I can find of Thomas Guest in the preceding period is to Mary Whitehouse (second clue) but this was in Harborne, some 10 miles away.

The only clue to Thomas is that he was a bricklayer. He died before 1841, the only Thomas Guest burial in Dudley from 1814-1841 was in 1824 aged 60.

Any help or corroboration much appreciated.
Guest & Whitehouse were very common names in the Dudley/ Sedgley area.

[Northern Lass]

seems to be 2 bapts for Thomas
Free reg.
Joseph Whitehouse GUEST Baptism 8 Jul 1804 Worcestershire Dudley : St Thomas

Joseph Whitehouse GUEST Baptism 28 Sep 1806 Worcestershire St thomas
parents for both Thomas and Mary.

[Northern Lass]

Where is Marys bapt?

[Northern Lass]

Is Joseph b abt 1804 a bricklayer? and marries a rhoda?

on Bcc
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =804525826

need the census info pls for Mary guest b 1773.

[gardener]

seems to be 2 bapts for Thomas
Free reg.
Joseph Whitehouse GUEST Baptism 8 Jul 1804 Worcestershire Dudley : St Thomas

Joseph Whitehouse GUEST Baptism 28 Sep 1806 Worcestershire St thomas
parents for both Thomas and Mary.

First one died

Name: Joseph Whitehouse Guest
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 8 Jul 1804
Baptism Place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
Death Date: 3 Apr 1805

[gardener]

I’m trying to trace the birth details of my great great great grandparents, Thomas Guest & Mary.

I’ve found the death certificate of Mary Guest showing she died on 3 August 1866 at the residence of her eldest son Thomas aged 93.

The only clue to Thomas is that he was a bricklayer. He died before 1841, the only Thomas Guest burial in Dudley from 1814-1841 was in 1824 aged 60.

Any help or corroboration much appreciated.
Guest & Whitehouse were very common names in the Dudley/ Sedgley area.

These are family members?

[gardener]

Name: Isaac Guest
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 6 Nov 1814
Baptism Place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
Father:
Thos. Guest
Mother:
Mary

Age at Death (in years):
GUEST, ISAAC 30
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 245

1841
Stafford St, Dudley

Piece: 1196
Book: 4
Folio: 38
Page Number: 17

Isaac Guest 25 Grocers ? Y
Mary Guest 65 N
Ann Allen 20 FS N
Jabez Geary 15 App Y

[gardener]

Freereg has

Marriage date 16 Apr 1835
Groom forename James
Groom surname GRIFFIN
Groom parish Dudley
Groom condition bachelor
Bride forename Mary Whitehouse
Bride surname GUEST
Bride parish Dudley
Bride condition spinster
Witness1 Ann GRIFFIN
Witness2 Zephaniah GUEST

and then the witnesses married

Marriage date 26 Sep 1836
Groom forename Zephaniah
Groom surname GUEST
Groom parish Dudley
Groom condition bachelor
Bride forename Ann
Bride surname GRIFFIN
Bride parish Dudley
Bride condition spinster
Witness1 James GRIFFIN
Witness2 Sarah GUEST
Notes Witness (3) Sarah Ann COLLINS. By Licence-Groom Bride & witnesses signed

[gardener]

How did they end up at Ebbw Vale?

[Northern Lass]

Can the original poster post the info on the death certif pls.

Is this Joseph?
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =804525826

If so I can start adding back.

[Northern Lass]

Free reg.
Value
County Worcestershire
Place (Links to more information) Dudley
Church name (Links to more information) St Thomas
Register type (Links to more information) Unspecified
Register entry number 171
Baptism date 18 Apr 1813
Person forename Mary
Person sex F
Father forename Thomas
Mother forename Mary
Father surname WHITEHOUSE
Person abode Dudley
Father occupation Bricklayer


Ancestry
Name: Mary Whitehouse Guest
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 18 Apr 1813
Baptism Place: Dudley, Worcester, England
Father:
Thos. Guest
Mother:
Mary Guest
FHL Film Number: 350487
Reference ID: p22 n171

[Northern Lass]

1851 Stafford Street Dudley
Mary Guess 77
Mary W Griffon 38
William Griffon 9
Betsy Amsbury 22

[Northern Lass]

Not sure Joseph Whitehouse guest is the same one as this one?
any thoughts?

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =816237221

did Joseph Whitehouse guest with parents Thomas and Mary marry a Rhoda or is that another Joseph Guest.

[kdwoodie]

1861 Dudley Road Sedgley
Thomas Guers[Guest] Head Mar 63 Proprietor of Houses Born Dudley
Elizabeth C Guers Wife Mar 61 Born Tipton
Mary Guers Mother W 87 Born Sedgley
William Griffin Nephew Un 19 Born Dudley
Mary Sonke [Mary Tonks] Servant Un 26 House Servant Born Dudley

I cannot see a baptism for Thomas with parents Thomas and Mary

[gardener]

I think we need to get Thomas and Mary's kids on BCC

So far we have the two in red. Dates marked * are from Ebbw Vale tombstone


Father: Thomas Guest died 15 Sep 1824*
Mother: Mary (Whitehouse) died 3 Aug 1866*

------------

Joseph Whitehouse GUEST Baptism 8 Jul 1804 Worcestershire Dudley : St Thomas
Died 3 Apr 1805

Joseph Whitehouse GUEST Baptism 28 Sep 1806 Worcestershire St Thomas

John Guest Baptism Date: 12 Feb 1809 Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
Died 6 Oct 1823* see below too

Zephania Guest Bapt. 16 June 1811 St Thomas, Dudley
Died 5 Feb 1847
Married Ann Griffin 26 Sep 1836


Mary Whitehouse Guest Baptism 18 Apr 1813 St Thomas Dudley
Married James Griffin 16 Apr 1835


Isaac Guest Baptism Date: 6 Nov 1814 Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
Died 10 Jan 1845*



-------------

Found this, says buried Dudley but seems to fit the Ebbw Vale stone
Name: John Geast
Gender: Male
Death Age: 14
Birth Date: 1809
Death Date: abt 1823
Burial Date: 11 Oct 1823
Burial Place: Dudley, Worcester, England
FHL Film Number: 350496
Reference ID: P 261, #2088



ISAAC

1841
Stafford St, Dudley

Piece: 1196
Book: 4
Folio: 38
Page Number: 17

Isaac Guest 25 Grocers ? Y
Mary Guest 65 N
Ann Allen 20 FS N
Jabez Geary 15 App Y

ZEPHANIAH
Stafford St, Dudley
1841
Piece: 1196
Book: 4
Folio: 36
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Zephaniah Guest 30 builder Y
Ann Guest 20 Y
Ann Guest 20 (says 17 underneath) FS Y
George Mault 20 app Y

MARY

1841

High St, Dudley
Piece: 1196
Book: 6
Folio: 10
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
James Griffen 25
Mary Griffen 20
Thomas Griffen 5
James Griffen 1

Thomas Griffin bapt. King Street Independent, Dudley 24 Jan 1837, born 25 Jan 1836, father James Griffin cabinet maker, mother Mary Whitehouse Guest

next door in 1841 are

Thomas Guest 40 grocer Y
Sarah ditto 35 Y
Francis ditto 15 app N
Charles Mills 15 app N

(Francis is son of Francis Guest, surgeon, and Jane Griffin bapt 28 Dec 1825, born 20 Nov 1825, King Street Ind, Dudley.
Can't find marriage though so not sure if these are part of the same Guest family or not

1851
Dudley
Household Schedule Number: 147
Piece: 2032
Folio: 250
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Guest 56 wid Supported by friends Dudley
Francis Guest 25 mar grocer's assistant Dudley