ARC TBC Thomas and Mary Manger extra son

[Frodo]

I am updating my information on Thomas and Mary Manger and noticed a son James age 5 on the 1851 Census which doesn't show on the Connections tree.

I have tried a search on Ancestry and so far haven't found any birth records.

Can James be confirmed and added to the tree -

Connections suggested it warranted a query.

[Northern Lass]

I had a look for him last time we looked couldn't see anything so can't add him without some kind of proof.

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =545961364

1851 Lawrence Lane, Rowley Regis
MANGER, Thomas Head Married 53 Shoe Maker
Parish of Lutterworth Leicestershire
MANGER, Mary Wife Married 50 Rowley Staffordshire
MANGER, William Son Unmarried 17 Shoe Maker Rowley
Staffordshire
MANGER, David Son Unmarried 14 Trace Maker Rowley
Staffordshire
MANGER, James Son Unmarried 5 At Home Rowley
Staffordshire

[Frodo]

I will let you know if I see anything so he can be added

[Hillhurst]

Could young James be a nephew of Mary Manger? Was Mary's maiden name was Brettle?
There was a James BRETTLE born in 1845 (Dudley Union) with a MMN of TIBBETTS.
Possible parents: Thomas BRETTLE and Elizabeth TIBBETS. In 1851, Elizabeth and her other children are residing in Rowley Regis.
In 1871, there's a James Brettle lodging with a William BRETTELL (nail maker) in Halesowen. But there are many BRETTLE's around, so unsure if he's the same chap.

[grangers14]

I know not James but...

I looked this morning at this family after Frodo contacted BCC.
The birth cert, I think NL got belongs to this person

1841. Passage or ? Lutterworth, Leicstershire.
George Manger, 23, Brick M born in County
Mary, 23, not born in County
Charles, 8 months, born in County
I can not read the address but is placed between Oxford Street and Bakehouse Lane

1851. Bakehouse Lane, Lutterworth
George Manger, head, 33, Labourer Gardener
Hannah, wife, 33,
Charles, son, 10,
Alfred, son, 8,
Eliza, 6 months
All born Lutterworth

1861. 31, Bakehouse Lane, Lutterworth
George Manger, head, 43, Agricultural Labourer,
Hannah, wife, 43,
Benn, son, 7,
George Thomas, son, 2,
Emily Hannah, daur, 2 months
Mary Benn, wifes Mother, 83
All born Lutterworth

I think Charles on BCC is a red herring Or something to do with family? May be Thomas's brother?

[grangers14]

Banns 1837/1838
George Manger and Mary Bale

Death of Mary.
Burial, December 4th 1848
Mary Manger, Bake House Lane, Aged 30, Lutterworth


Second Marriage.
March 24th 1850. Lutterworth
George Manger, 32, W, Labourer, Bake House Lane, William Manger, Labourer
Hannah Benn, 33, S, Bake House Lane, Richard Benn, Labourer
Both signed
Witnesses, George Barronns? Ann Barronns

[grangers14]

Could young James be a nephew of Mary Manger? Was Mary's maiden name was Brettle?
There was a James BRETTLE born in 1845 (Dudley Union) with a MMN of TIBBETTS.
Possible parents: Thomas BRETTLE and Elizabeth TIBBETS. In 1851, Elizabeth and her other children are residing in Rowley Regis.
In 1871, there's a James Brettle lodging with a William BRETTELL (nail maker) in Halesowen. But there are many BRETTLE's around, so unsure if he's the same chap.

I think something possibly to do with family too...

[Northern Lass]

Have added that info for Charles in notes does look like that is Him
I did wonder if somehow connected to Thomas Manger maybe George and he are bros?

This might be the Tibbetts one ie son James of Elizabeth Tibbetts and Richard Brettell
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =816523573

he is with parents on census
1851. Four Ways, Rowley Regis
Richrad Brettle, head, head, 44, Labourer
Elizabeth, wife, 37, Nailer
Mary, daur, 18, nailer
Joseph, son, 13, hammer man at chains
George, son, 9, hammerman at chains
James, son, 6,
Thomas, son, 3
All born Rowley Regis

Transcribed as Bressel looks like Brettel
1861. King Street, Rowley Regis
Richard Brettel, head, 54, Forge Lab
Elizabeth, wife, 49,
George, son, 19, Coal Miner
James, son, 16, Forge boy
Thomas, son, 13, Forge boy
all born Rowley Regis

[grangers14]

Personally I don't think James should be added and I think Charles should be disconnected.


30th April 1797. Lutterworth.
Thos Manger, born 22nd April 1797, parents, William and Pamela

28th June 1818. Lutterworth
George Manger, parents, William and Pamila


I think that connects the brothers... ?

[Northern Lass]

Personally I don't think James should be added and I think Charles should be disconnected.


30th April 1797. Lutterworth.
Thos Manger, born 22nd April 1797, parents, William and Pamela

28th June 1818. Lutterworth
George Manger, parents, William and Pamila


I think that connects the brothers... ?

Good one JO at least that would sort out Charles
I just added him there whilst it was worked on so please do what you feel is best
good result.

[grangers14]

I have been looking at this family...and added to BCC

William here
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =489448060

George here
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =278712624

George jr
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =266250681

I don't think we can connect James, I'm not sure where he fits in?

Frodo if you could let this thread know if you want this completing please.

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