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Re: John Nock b 13 Jan 1853 West Bromwich

Postby SharonA » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:04 pm

Thanks for your help. I've been trying since 1994 and still can't find him!
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Re: John Nock b 13 Jan 1853 West Bromwich

Postby Jimmy » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:10 pm

I think if he is on the census's he must be under a different surname.
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Re: John Nock b 13 Jan 1853 West Bromwich

Postby SharonA » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:21 pm

I have tried the surnames linked to him but nothing. Could he be in an orphanage or workhouse, would these be on the censuses? Others have him as connected with Ballards but this would mean his mother was Hannah and father Benjamin but I don't think this is correct as I had been told by a direct ancestor his mother was Mary.
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Re: John Nock b 13 Jan 1853 West Bromwich

Postby mjay » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:20 pm

I have Nicholls ancestors and they changed back & forth to Nock/Nicholls
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Re: John Nock b 13 Jan 1853 West Bromwich

Postby SharonA » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:22 pm

Thank you I'll look into this option :)
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Re: John Nock b 13 Jan 1853 West Bromwich

Postby Jimmy » Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:35 pm

SharonA wrote:I have tried the surnames linked to him but nothing. Could he be in an orphanage or workhouse, would these be on the censuses? Others have him as connected with Ballards but this would mean his mother was Hannah and father Benjamin but I don't think this is correct as I had been told by a direct ancestor his mother was Mary.


What details have got on Benjamin Ballard and Hannah?
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Re: John Nock b 13 Jan 1853 West Bromwich

Postby Northern Lass » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:13 pm

is it worth just searching the census for Knox or knock?
if he is born west bromwich where in west bromwich was it gadds lane couldn't read birth certif.
or maybe just put in John born 1853 gadds lane west bromwich.
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Re: John Nock b 13 Jan 1853 West Bromwich

Postby Jimmy » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:31 pm

I have tried every variation of name.
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Re: John Nock b 13 Jan 1853 West Bromwich

Postby Northern Lass » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:32 pm

Jimmy wrote:I have tried every variation of name.


no point in me looking if you can't find it!
Come on Jimmy the cat where is this John!
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Re: John Nock b 13 Jan 1853 West Bromwich

Postby Jimmy » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:36 pm

My bet is if he is on the census's he must be under a different surname.
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Re: John Nock b 13 Jan 1853 West Bromwich

Postby Jimmy » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:44 pm

It could be he is just not on the census's.
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Re: John Nock b 13 Jan 1853 West Bromwich

Postby SharonA » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:11 pm

Info gathered after looking at other peoples family trees.
Benjamin Nock (B.1819, Sedgley) married Hannah Fletcher (B. 1824, Staffs) in Cosely Staffs 11th May 1845
John Nock born 8th Nov 1850, Wolverhampton
Benjamin Nock D. 1857, Dudley
Hannah Nock (nee. Fletcher, presumed) married Thomas Ballard, Dudley Dec 1857

On 1871 census John Nock is recorded as Thomas Ballard's stepson.

The reason I queried this as being the correct John Nock is that I had been told by a family member his mother was called Mary, father not known which is supported by the birth certificate I have.
On his wedding certificate my John's age is 20 which make his year of birth 1853 this links with my birth certificate and not with the John Nock/Ballard B 1850 who was born in Wolverhampton not West Bromwich as I'd been informed and is consistently stated on the censuses post his marriage.

I would be grateful is you could find out if there are any links :)
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Re: John Nock b 13 Jan 1853 West Bromwich

Postby Jimmy » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:52 pm

Dudley St Andrews.
Marriage date 19 Oct 1857.
Thomas BALLARD. Full age. Brierley Hill. widower. Labourer. James BALLARD. Labourer.
Hannah FLETCHER. Full age. Brierley Hill. widow. Richard FLETCHER. Labourer.
Witness 1 Charles LAWRENCE.
Witness 2 Maria LAWRENCE.

1861. Delph Road, Kingswinford.
Thomas Ballard 37. iron furnace man. Worcester.
Ann Ballard 39.
Eliza Ballard 13. dau.
John Ballard 10. son.
Richard Ballard 3. son.
James Ballard 1. son.

NOCK, ELIZA FLETCHER.
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON & SEISDON Volume 17 Page 328.

1871. Delph Road, Kingswinford.
Thomas Ballard 49. labourer. Worcestershire.
Hannah Ballard 48. Bradley Staffs.
John Nock 20. Stepson. Puddler. Staffordshire.
James Ballard 11. Son. Kingswinford.
Hannah Ballard 7. Daughter. Kingswinford.

NOCK, JOHN FLETCHER.
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON & SEISDON Volume 17 Page 379.

BALLARD, JAMES FLETCHER.
GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 233.

BALLARD, HANNAH FLETCHER.
GRO Reference: 1863 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 200.
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Re: John Nock b 13 Jan 1853 West Bromwich

Postby Jimmy » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:28 pm

1891. Chapel Street, Kingswinford.
John Nock 40. Colliery coach loader. Wolverhampton.
Ketura Nock 37.
Minnie Nock 17.
Rachael Nock 15.
Benjamin Nock 13.
John Nock 9.
Samuel Nock 6.

others born Brierley Hill.

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1873.
NOCK John. LONGMORE Keturah. 1873 Dudley, St Thomas. Dudley Register Office. 204/030/394.

NOCK, SAMUEL LONGMORE.
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 204.

NOCK, BENJAMIN LONGMORE.
GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 232.
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Re: John Nock b 13 Jan 1853 West Bromwich

Postby BC Wench » Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:05 am

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