George JEPTHA

[nugentsmith]

I have now done some more research on William SMITH (b.1830) whose father is given as George JEPTHA on his marriage certificate with Leah Brookes (16/9/1850). Two questions remain – who was William’s mother and where was he for the 1841 Census?

William died on 6 June 1889, and the death certificate shows:
D/1889/Dudley/Rowley Regis/No 216 - reg 7th June 1889
William Smith, Chain Maker, died on 6 June 1889 at 61 Spinners End, Rowley Regis, age 59, Chain Maker. Cause of death: Chronic Bronchitis. Informant was Joseph Nock of 14 Plant Street, Rowley Regis, Nephew, in attendance.

Joseph Nock was also resident at 14 Plant St for the 1881 Census, as shown on BCC, under the family for Josiah Nock (b.1844) and his wife Phoebe (HOMER) (b.1846). Looking at Joseph's ancestors on BCC, Joseph Nock’s grand parents are: Eli Nock and Mary Ann Priest; Thomas Homer and Phoebe Smith. As Joseph Nock is William’s nephew, one of these grand parents must a parent of William Smith. Thus, it seems that William’s mother was Phoebe Smith.

Thomas and Phoebe were married on 19 March 1833, but William was born in 1830, so presumably he was Phoebe’s illegitimate child. However, it seems likely that Phoebe’s son appears on the 1841 Census as William Homer:

HO107/1196/17/55/20 - Mushroom Green
Thomas Homer 30 Nail m
Phebe do. 30
William do. 9
Joseph do. 5
John do. 3
Ann do. 1
All born in county

I have not found any reference to William Homer after 1841.

There are other connections in Mushroom. Phoebe SMITH subsequently (1855) married John ROUND, whose daughter Myra (or Maria) had been a witness at the marriage of William SMITH in 1850.

So, I conclude that the parents of William Smith were George Jeptha and Phoebe Smith.

[Jimmy]

Brierley Hill Round Oak Primitive Methodist.
Baptism date 27 Sep 1832.
William SMITH.
Mother Phebe SMITH.
Person abode Old Hill.
Notes Born Rowley - mother spinster, child illegitimate (Whore entered in pencil).

[Jimmy]

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Dudley St Thomas.
Baptism date 23 Apr 1826.
Edward SMITH.
Mother Phebe SMITH.
Person abode Rowley.

[nugentsmith]

Thank you, Jimmy. Another name to follow up!

On Phebe:
Marriage of John ROUND and Phoebe HOMER (formerly SMITH)
GRO index: M/1855/JUN/Dudley/6C/19

From copy certificate:
M/1855/Netherton Parish Church/No30 on 25/6/1855
John Round, 54, Widower, a Chain maker and Phebe Homer, 46, Widow. Both resident at Mushroom. Fathers: Stephen Round, Chain maker (decd); James Smith, Labourer (decd).
Both (X).
Witnesses: Sarah Pearson (X); James Mackay (signed).

On basis of above, Phebe’s father is James, so could her baptism be:
Park Lane Presbyterian 1809, Transcript page 180, entry no. 844
Phebe Daughter of James and Phebe Smith in the Parish of Dudley and county of Stafford baptised May 28th 1809.

[nugentsmith]

Having been away from GenForum for a while, I returned to an old Brick Wall! However, my new information does not help to confirm the status of Emma SMITH but suggests a new partner for George JEPTHA.

This thread began with William SMITH (b.1830) and I now have William’s death certificate:
SMITH, WILLIAM 59
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 9

D/1889/Dudley/Rowley Regis/No 216 - reg 7th June 1889
William Smith, Chain Maker, died on 6 June 1889 at 61 Spinners End, Rowley Regis, age 59, Chain Maker. Cause of death: Chronic Bronchitis. Informant was Joseph Nock of 14 Plant Street, Rowley Regis, Nephew, in attendance.

If the description of Joseph NOCK as William’s Nephew is correct the inference is that one of William’s parents must be one of Joseph’s grand-parents.
Joseph appears on the 1881 Census living at 14 Plant Street with his parents Josiah NOCK (b.1844) and Phoebe (HOMER) (b.1846) (see BCC). Following these two families on BCC, Joseph Nock’s grand parents are: Eli Nock and Mary Ann Priest; Thomas Homer and Phoebe Smith.

Thus, a tentative conclusion is that William’s mother is Phoebe SMITH (b.1809).

Thomas and Phoebe were married on 19 March 1833, but William was born in 1830 - 1832, so presumably he was Phoebe’s illegitimate child. However, it seems reasonable that Phoebe’s son appears on the 1841 Census as William Homer:

HO107/1196/17/55/20 - Mushroom Green
Thomas Homer 30 Nail m
Phebe do. 30
William do. 9
Joseph do. 5
John do. 3
Ann do. 1
All born in county

A further point is that there does not appear to be a reference to William SMITH on the 1841 Census, and no references to William HOMER after 1841.

There are other connections in Mushroom. Phoebe SMITH subsequently (1855) married John ROUND, whose daughter Myra (or Maria) had been a witness at the marriage of William SMITH in 1850.

Should William HOMER (b.1832) become William SMITH, with George JEPTHA as William’s father?

[Northern Lass]

I think so have amended see if that works.
also connected up to ruth green.

[Northern Lass]

So how does her 1st marriage(Ruths) to William Smith fit with George Jeptha/Smith ...brothers?

Marriage info
9 Nov 1823 St Giles Rowley Regis.
William Smith- otp- bach.
Ruth Green- otp- sp.
banns.
Wit- Richard Gaunt / Joseph Green.


https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =245537199

[Northern Lass]

Do we slot in parents of George Jeptha as William Jeptha and Mary Smith
I have added in notes as a possible

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =239533615

[Northern Lass]

And how does Ruth greens husband fit in with the Smiths....
is William Smith brother or step brother to George Jeptha/Smith?

[nugentsmith]

I will certainly have a look at the GREEN connections.

I followed the link to George JEPTHA on BCC and noted the possible reference for his death. I must have omitted to post details of his death certificate, which I have:

JEPTHA, GEORGE 80
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 12

D/1887/Dudley/Rowley Regis/No. 182 - reg 20th June 1887
Death on 18th June 1887 at 44 Wagon Street of George JEPTHA, Male, Age 80, Formerly a Horsenail Maker; cause Senile Decay. Informant was (X The Mark of) Mary Slater, Grandaughter, Present at Death, of Cherry Orchard, Rowley Regis.

Mary Slater is Mary SHAKESPEARE (b.1859)
From GRO: SHAKESPEARE, MARY Mother: SMITH
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 16

[Northern Lass]

Added that thanks

[Jimmy]

D/1887/Dudley/Rowley Regis/No. 182 - reg 20th June 1887
Death on 18th June 1887 at 44 Wagon Street of George JEPTHA, Male, Age 80, Formerly a Horsenail Maker; cause Senile Decay. Informant was (X The Mark of) Mary Slater, Grandaughter, Present at Death, of Cherry Orchard, Rowley Regis.

Mary Slater is Mary SHAKESPEARE (b.1859)
From GRO: SHAKESPEARE, MARY Mother: SMITH
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 16

So this seems to confirm that George JEPTHA is Emma's father.

[nugentsmith]

Jimmy Does this now make George your Gx3 grandfather?

[nugentsmith]

I have not looked in detail at the family of Mary SMITH (George Jeptha's mother). However, I have now obtained Mary's death certificate:

JEPTHA, MARY Age: 75 GRO Reference: 1839 M Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 220
D/1839/Dudley Union/Rowley Regis/No 286 - reg 1st of February 1839
Death on the 26th January 1839 at Garratt's Lane in this parish of Mary Jeptha, Female, 75, Widow of the late William Jeptha; cause of death Asthma. Informant (the mark X of) Richard Smith of Lawrence Lane in this Parish, in attendance.

Who is Richard SMITH? So far all I have established is that he is not recorded at Lawrence Lane on the 1841 Census. There are a lot of Richard Smiths in Dudley!

[Jimmy]

Jimmy Does this now make George your Gx3 grandfather?

Looks like it.