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Ok re the other Amelia Portman
not quite got my head around this but think...that she is an Amelia Bayliss POrtman ...or some such one

Father Thomas seems to be born out of wedlock.
mother is a Mary Ann Bayliss

Jimmy this lot connects to you!

so John portman unmarried in 1861
1861 Census New Road Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
John Portman Head 50 (U) Carpenter Bewdley Worcs.

1841 Census Spring Hill Hasbury Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
John Portman 35 Carpenter not born in County
Mary Portman 35
Eliza Portman 12
Mary Portman 9
Thomas Portman 6
Sarah Portman 4
Emma Portman 1
Rest born in County

1851 Census Birmingham Street Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
John Portman Head 42 Carpenter Rock Parish Worcs.
Ann Portman wife 43
Sarah Portman dau 16 Nailor
Emma Portman dau 11
John Portman son 7
Martha Portman dau 2
Rest born Halesowen Worcs.

Note:- Although John Portman is shown as unmarried in 1861 and Bachelor on Marriage record in 1862 He must have lived with Mary Ann Bayliss unmarried as no record of marriage. However his son Thomas Portman lived as grandson of Mary Ann Bayliss parents Thomas and Phoebe Bayliss in 1851

1851 Great Cornbow Halesowen
Thomas Baylis head mar 63 nailer
Phoebe Baylis wife mar 63 nailer
Elizabeth Baylis dau unm 20 nailer
Samuel Baylis son unm 25 labourer
Thomas Portman grandson 18 nailer
all born Halesowen

need this marriage

1880
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BAYLIS Amelia GUEST Joseph Cradley Heath, St Luke Sandwell Register Office 20/1/410

Sorted?? I think this is Amelia Portman/Bayliss

free reg
St Luke Cradley Heath 21 Mar 1880
Joseph GUEST age 20 bachelor nailer Halesowen father Thomas Guest nailer
Amelia BAYLIS 23 spinster Halesowen father Thomas Baylis horse nail maker
Witness1 Edward HAWKESWOOD
Witness2 Mary PRICE

1881 Hill St Halesowen
Joseph Guest head mar 20 nailer b Halesowen
Amelia Guest wife mar 23 nailer
Eliza Portman step dau age 6 scholar
Albert E Portman step son 3 scholar
Ethel Guest dau 3 mths
all others born Halesowen

GUEST, ETHEL BAYLISS
GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 172

poss
PORTMAN, ELIZA -
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 170

PORTMAN, ALBERT EDWARD -
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 180

GUEST, CATHERINE PORTMAN
GRO Reference: 1882 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 149

GUEST, SARAH ELIZABETH PORTMAN
GRO Reference: 1888 J Quarter in BARROW IN FURNESS Volume 08E Page 853

GUEST, JOSEPH PORTMAN
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in BARROW-IN-FURNESS Volume 08E Page 835

That works for me ....Amelia Portman that marries John Cooksey father James
and

Amelia Portman/..or Bayliss marries Joseph Guest father Thomas POrtman/Bayliss

It would be very interesting to see that birth certif for either Eliza Portman or Albert portman..no mother on which makes me
wonder if she puts Portman or Baylis on that....

Thank you. I had far more pieces of evidence that supported Amelia's parents being Thomas & Sarah Portman than those supporting James & Mary Ann Portman and on top of that the different dates of birth for Amelia were confusing me. However, at that time, I was unaware of the birth certificate information on BCC. So, now I am reassessing what I have.

Lynne House wrote:Thank you. I had far more pieces of evidence that supported Amelia's parents being Thomas & Sarah Portman than those supporting James & Mary Ann Portman and on top of that the different dates of birth for Amelia were confusing me. However, at that time, I was unaware of the birth certificate information on BCC. So, now I am reassessing what I have.

Now that is only what I think..you make your own mind up.
But I do feel that it checks out

Now if Jo agrees would you like me to add your username to that Amelia that marries John Cooksey on Bcc ?

Northern Lass wrote:

Lynne House wrote:Thank you. I had far more pieces of evidence that supported Amelia's parents being Thomas & Sarah Portman than those supporting James & Mary Ann Portman and on top of that the different dates of birth for Amelia were confusing me. However, at that time, I was unaware of the birth certificate information on BCC. So, now I am reassessing what I have.

Now that is only what I think..you make your own mind up.
But I do feel that it checks out

Now if Jo agrees would you like me to add your username to that Amelia that marries John Cooksey on Bcc ?

Why so glum genealogy is supposed to be a leisure activity done for fun and enjoyment

rockyfowler wrote:Why so glum genealogy is supposed to be a leisure activity done for fun and enjoyment

and making good friends and helping others you are so right

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