Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby grangers14 » Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:22 pm

You knew her as Dolly? I always thought Dolly was a nick name for Dorthy? My Nan was Dorothy, known as Dolly.
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby Delapre-Ron » Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:57 am

grangers14 wrote:You knew her as Dolly? I always thought Dolly was a nick name for Dorthy? My Nan was Dorothy, known as Dolly.

This really did have me searching. Like you I would never have guessed that her real name was Hannah. I eventually resolved the riddle by asking a parish magazine for the Great Ecclestone area to publish my request for help. A couple of ladies that had known “Dolly” replied and were able to confirm sufficient details to assure me that I had the correct person and relationship even down to Shepard’s Farm in Elswick. From what I remember she did have quite a round face, perhaps it was just a childhood nickname.
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby rockyfowler » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:31 am

Trouble with this is the missing link -your mother`s birth cert would give the parents occupation and whereabouts but I can understand for privacy why they are not disclosed. :wink:
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby Delapre-Ron » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:36 am

rockyfowler wrote:Trouble with this is the missing link -your mother`s birth cert would give the parents occupation and whereabouts but I can understand for privacy why they are not disclosed. :wink:

Any of the 5 birth certificates for Elizabeth's surviving children or even the marriage certificate for Elizabeth and Joseph is what I have been searching for.
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby rockyfowler » Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:57 pm

Have you checked Mary Hannah Thomas Marriage in Leeds 1903 to see if she was a rel ? If so how does she fit in with you grandmother Mary E on the 1939 census ?Regards RF
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby Delapre-Ron » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:45 pm

rockyfowler wrote:Have you checked Mary Hannah Thomas Marriage in Leeds 1903 to see if she was a rel ? If so how does she fit in with you grandmother Mary E on the 1939 census ?Regards RF

Thanks for your input RF, Mary Thomas (my grandmother) was married to Albert Varney on 30 Sep 1911 at St Saviour's Church, Saltley, Birmingham (GRO Volume: 6d Page: 590) age on marriage certificate recorded as 26 which ties in with 1886 date of birth. However still no sign of a birth registration for her or her 4 siblings, or a marriage registration for parents, Elizabeth ? and Joseph Thomas. Kind regards, Ron
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby Northern Lass » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:36 am

Delapre-Ron wrote:
Northern Lass wrote:Hannah elizabeth knight West Bromwich 6b 874
Free bmd
Births June 1901
??

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KNIGHT, HANNAH ELIZABETH THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 874


Hello “Norther Lass” thanks for your interest. I have managed to trace and document Hannah Elizabeth Knight from cradle to grave. I had a vague recollection of visiting an “Aunt Dolly” back in the 1950’s in Great Eccelston with my father. This turns out to be same person – Married Robert Benson 21 October 1925 in Bispham, Lancashire. The 1939 register has them living at Shepherds Farm, Elswick along with her mother. Hannah passed away with no issues 14 October 1987.



Ok so if you have the marriage info I have some questions
Do you have the fathers name for Hannah Elizabeth
If you do then we can find the marriage for Hannah and an unknown knight
Unless you have that info too
Need the marriage of Hannah and an unknown knight
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby rockyfowler » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:57 am

Hi could you put full details of Mary and Alberts Marriage someone may pick up on it? Regards RF
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby rockyfowler » Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:59 am

Northern Lass Her name was Knight-
Marriage: 21 Oct 1925 All Hallows, Bispham, Lancs.
Robert Benson - 25, Farmer, Bachelor, 227, Red Bank Rd.
Hannah Elizabeth Knight - 24, Spinster, Althan House, South Shore
Groom's Father: Thomas Benson, Farmer
Bride's Father: Thomas Knight, (deceased), Farmer
Witness: Richard Benson; Edith Starkie
Married by Banns by: Henry Ward, Rector
Register: Marriages 1881 - 1931, Page 205, Entry 410
Source: Original Register
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby Northern Lass » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:09 am

Thanks rf
So is there a marriage for Hannah Thomas and Thomas knight

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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby Delapre-Ron » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:07 am

Northern Lass wrote:
Delapre-Ron wrote:
Northern Lass wrote:Hannah elizabeth knight West Bromwich 6b 874
Free bmd
Births June 1901
??

Gro
KNIGHT, HANNAH ELIZABETH THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 874


Hello “Norther Lass” thanks for your interest. I have managed to trace and document Hannah Elizabeth Knight from cradle to grave. I had a vague recollection of visiting an “Aunt Dolly” back in the 1950’s in Great Eccelston with my father. This turns out to be same person – Married Robert Benson 21 October 1925 in Bispham, Lancashire. The 1939 register has them living at Shepherds Farm, Elswick along with her mother. Hannah passed away with no issues 14 October 1987.



Ok so if you have the marriage info I have some questions
Do you have the fathers name for Hannah Elizabeth
If you do then we can find the marriage for Hannah and an unknown knight
Unless you have that info too
Need the marriage of Hannah and an unknown knight


Good point, but I do not see where this will help in finding Grandmothers maiden name. I have been unable to find a marriage record for Hannah Thomas (b 1873) that I am confident with, even begin to suspect he may have had a wife elsewhere. In the 1911 census Hannah displays uncertainty as to how long she has been married 7 or 12 years? However Hannah Elizabeth's birth certificate, states fathers name as Thomas Knight. Her marriage certificate also gives fathers name as Thomas Knight (Deceased) occupation Farmer. Hope this helps you.
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby Northern Lass » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:11 am

There is method..
I am trying to see what name the girls have when married
Helps to come in from different angles
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby Delapre-Ron » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:17 am

rockyfowler wrote:Hi could you put full details of Mary and Alberts Marriage someone may pick up on it? Regards RF

St Saviours Church, Saltley, Birmingham
Albert Varney // Age: 27 // Batchelor // Screw Turner // 132 Reginald Road // Father: Robert James Varney // Retired
Mary Thomas // Age: 26 // Spinster // same address // Joseph Thomas (Decd) // Brick Burner // GRO Aston 6d 590
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby Northern Lass » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:25 pm

Why is it not this marriage..do you have full info

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
TINSLEY Elizabeth THOMAS Joseph West Bromwich, St Peter Sandwell Register Office 29/1/202


Birth for Elizabeth but this one is not born 1882

THOMAS, ELIZABETH TINSLEY
GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 820
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Re: Brick-Wall hiding Thomas family in Oldbury

Postby rockyfowler » Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:59 pm

1872 St Peter West Bromwich
202 3 Mar
Joseph THOMAS 20 B Moulder West Bromwich Father William Thomas Miner
Elizabeth TINSLEY 20 S West Bromwich Father (Blank)
After Banns Joseph Signed The X Of Elizabeth
Wit; Moses Wright / Mary Ann Thomas
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