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Re: Brick Wall Griffiths - Wolverhampton

Postby geoff3d » Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:45 pm

Was William married to Elizabeth Jones
Name: Mary Jones
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Event Place: Wolverhampton, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Enumeration District: 38
Gender: Female
Age: 44
Marital Status: Married
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Birth Year (Estimated): 1827
Birthplace: Whampton, Staffordshire
Entry Number: 8
Affiliate Image Identifier: GBC/1871/2940/0289
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James Jones Head Male 52 Busby Green, Shropshire
Mary Jones Wife Female 44 Whampton, Staffordshire
Elizabeth Jones Daughter Female 21 Whampton, Staffordshire
George Jones Son Male 19 Whampton, Staffordshire
Ann Jones Daughter Female 17 Whampton, Staffordshire
Teadora Jones Son Male 13 Whampton, Staffordshire
Rachel Jones Daughter Female 11 Whampton, Staffordshire
Cathrine Jones Daughter Female 9 Whampton, Staffordshire
Rose Hannah Jones Daughter Female 7 Whampton, Staffordshire
James Jones Son Male 5 Whampton, Staffordshire
Genoah Jones Son Male 3 Whampton, Staffordshire
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Re: Brick Wall Griffiths - Wolverhampton

Postby geoff3d » Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:53 pm

H elp needed please looking at Census`s, birth,marriage, death
John Rich 1851
Name John Rich Wolverhampton
Residence Note Monmore Green
Occupation Pudlers Son
Birth Year (Est) 1851
Thomas Rich Head M 34 Dudley, Worcestershire
Sarah Rich (higgins) Wife F 30 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
John Rich **** Son M 0 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Sarah Mafit Servant F 10 Wolverhampton, Staffordsh

1881. Gas Yard Union Mill St, Wolverhampton.
Sarah Higgins 65. widow.
John Rich 31. Son.
Martha Griffiths 29. dau. married.****
John Griffiths 6. son.
Elizabeth Griffiths 2. dau.
Martha Collings 61. boarder. related possibly

Age is slightly out compaired to 1911 census
GRIFFITHS, JOHN mother RICH. **** (martha Rich) Pos the John William start of post
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 562.
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Re: Brick Wall Griffiths - Wolverhampton

Postby geoff3d » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:53 pm

Amended
HIGGINS John full w 16 Feb 1860 Labourer Willenhall Road William Higgins Deceased
RICH Sarah B St.Matt
marriage full age 16 feb W 1860 Willenhall Road Father John Thomas

1851 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Residence Note Monmore Green
Thomas Rich Head M 34 Dudley, Worcestershire
Sarah Rich(higgins) Wife F 30 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
John Rich **** Son M 0 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Sarah Mafit Servant F 10 Wolverhampton, Staffordsh
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Re: Brick Wall Griffiths - Wolverhampton

Postby geoff3d » Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:16 am

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Census Date 1871
Cathrine Jones
Wolverhampton, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England District 38
Female Age 9
Relationship Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1862
James Jones Head M 52 Busby Green, Shropshire
Mary Jones Wife F 44 Whampton, Staffordshire
Elizabeth Jones Daughter F 21 Whampton, Staffordshire
George Jones Son M 19 Whampton, Staffordshire
Ann Jones Daughter F 17 Whampton, Staffordshire
Teadora Jones Son M 13 Whampton, Staffordshire
Rachel Jones Daughter F 11 Whampton, Staffordshire
Cathrine Jones Daughter F 9 Whampton, Staffordshire
Rose Hannah Jones Daughter F 7 Whampton, Staffordshire
James Jones Son M 5 Whampton, Staffordshire
Genoah Jones Son M 3 Whampton, Staffordshire

Census Date 1881
Catherine Jones
Event Place Wednesfield, Staffordshire, England
Wolverhampton Residence Note Moseley Village High St
Female Age 18 Marital Status Single Occupation None
Relationship Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1863
Mary Jones Head F 55 Wolverhampton, England
William Davis Son In Law M 30 Oakengates, Shropshire, England
Rachel Jones Daughter F 21 Wyrley Bank, Staffordshire, England
Catherine Jones Daughter F 18 Wolverhampton, England
Rosehannah Jones Daughter F 17 Wolverhampton, England
Enoch Jones Son M 12 Wolverhampton, England
Sarah Ann Griffiths Daughter F 4 Moseley Village Heath Town, England

Catharine Jones
England, Staffordshire, Church Records
Name Thomas Udall
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 17 Jan 1882
Event Place Wolverhampton, West Midlands, England, United Kingdom
Parish All Saints
Residence Place More Street
Age 21
Birth Year (Estimated) 1861
Father's Name Francis Udall
Spouse's Name Catharine Jones
Spouse's Residence Place More Street
Spouse's Age 19
Spouse's Father's Name James Jones

Date 1891 Census
Name Rachael Jones Parish Wednesfield
Ecclesiastical Parish HOLY TRINITY
Registration District Wolverhampton
Residence Note Dark Street
Female Age 30 Single
Occupation Dress Maker
Relationship Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1861
Birthplace England
Mary Jones Head F 68 Staffordshire, England
Rachael Jones Daughter F 30 England

Census, 1901
Rachel Jones
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Heath Town, Staffordshire, England
Sub-District Willenhall
Registration District Wolverhampton
Residence Note Wolverhampton Road (Marseley Village)
Female Age 42 DOMESTIC SERVANT Boarder
Birth Year (Estimated) 1859 Wolverhampton
Robert Westhead Head M 38 Wigan, Lancashire
Susan Westhead Wife F 36 Bradley, Staffordshire
Amelia Westhead Daughter F 8 W Hampton, Staffordshire
Mary E Westhead Daughter F 5 W Hampton, Staffordshire
Alice L Westhead Daughter F 3 W Hampton, Staffordshire
James Westhead Son M 0 W Hampton, Staffordshire
Rachel Jones Boarder F 42 W Hampton, Staffordshir
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Re: Brick Wall Griffiths - Wolverhampton

Postby geoff3d » Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:16 pm

Have 1871 need 1851 and other earlier information for john and sarah :-)
1861
Event Place:
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Matthews
Registration District:
Wolverhampton
Residence Note:
St Matthew Street
Gender:
Male
Age:
11
Occupation:
Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household:
Son
Birth Year (Estimated):
1850
Birthplace:
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Page Number:
19
Registration Number:
RG09
Piece/Folio:
1996 / 12
Affiliate Record Type:
Household
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Griffiths Head Male 60 Monmouth, Shropshire
Sarah Griffiths Wife Female 55 Barrow, Shropshire
Hannah Griffiths Daughter Female 14 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Henry Griffiths Son Male 11 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Charles Griffiths Son Male 6 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
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Re: Brick Wall Griffiths - Wolverhampton

Postby geoff3d » Sat Oct 26, 2019 5:40 pm

Expected father Of JOHN WILLIAM GRIFFITHS both Walsall Street
GRIFFITHS Henry son of John & Sarah 11 Nov 1849 Walsall Street Labourer George Fraser St.James

Henry Griffiths
England and Wales Census, 1871 born (1850)
Henry Griffiths (marr 11 Oct 1874) - died 1885 age 37
Census 1871
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Male Age 21
Occupation:
Labourer In Iron Works
Relationship to Head of Household:
Son
Birth Year (Estimated):
1850
Birthplace:
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Sarah Griffiths Head Female 66 Shirlett, Shropshire
Henry Griffiths Son Male 21 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Charles Griffiths Son Male 17 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
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Re: Brick Wall Griffiths - Wolverhampton

Postby geoff3d » Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:46 am

Best prospect
There is a marriage in Wolverhampton 31 May 1830 between a John Griffiths & Sarah Harris,st johns chapel.
Sarah Harris
baptised 11th October 1806
Baptism Place:Willey,Shropshire
Father: Thos. Harris Mother: Jane
Possible birth reg for Henry
GRIFFITHS, HENRY mmn HARRIS
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON & SEISDON Volume 17 Page 364
GRIFFITHS, CHARLES HARRIS
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 385

1871
Henry Griffiths
England and Wales Census, 1871 born (1850)
Henry Griffiths (marr 11 Oct 1874) - died 1885 age 37
Census 1871
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Male Age 21
Occupation:
Labourer In Iron Works
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birth Year (Estimated):
1850Birthplace:
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Sarah Griffiths Head Female 66 Shirlett, Shropshire
Henry Griffiths Son Male 21 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Charles Griffiths Son Male 17 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
*Hannah 14 born 1847
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Re: Brick Wall Griffiths - Wolverhampton

Postby geoff3d » Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:47 pm

Could this be brothers army record 1861 missing census
John Griffiths
England and Wales Census, 1861
not with family on 1861 could this be army record ?
Name:
John Griffiths
County:
Middlesex
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1861
Event Place:
Twickenham, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Twickenham, Middlesex, England
Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Mary
Registration District:
Brentford
Gender:
Male
Age:
22
Marital Status:
Single
Occupation:
Private 16 Lancers
Birth Year (Estimated):
1839
Birthplace:
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Page Number:
10
Registration Number:
RG09
Piece/Folio:
774 / 71
Affiliate Record Type:
Household
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Re: Brick Wall Griffiths - Wolverhampton

Postby grangers14 » Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:24 pm

Hello Geoff,
if your family research is Black Country area you would be better posting on there and it could be added, time willing, to the Black Country tree, rather than on brick walls.
I will move this post over and your other to there.
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Re: Brick Wall Griffiths - Wolverhampton

Postby Northern Lass » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:13 am

not sure what is needed here moving back to brickwalls

if you can let us know what exactly you are stuck on we can try and help
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Re: Brick Wall Griffiths - Wolverhampton

Postby geoff3d » Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:40 pm

thanks
before 1861 as posted above
Household Role
John Griffiths Head Male 60 Monmouth, Shropshire
Sarah Griffiths Wife Female 55 Barrow, Shropshire
census etc
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Re: Brick Wall Griffiths - Wolverhampton

Postby rockyfowler » Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:22 pm

Northern Lass wrote:not sure what is needed here moving back to brickwalls

if you can let us know what exactly you are stuck on we can try and help


May be best to split this up to what parts are needed under dif headings :?:
Dear santa, For this year I’m requesting, a fat bank account, and a small body. P.S. This year, please don’t mix them up, like you did last year!
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Re: Brick Wall Griffiths - Wolverhampton

Postby grangers14 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:43 pm

Yes RF and a lot could be added or connected to BCC too.
geoff3d if you could add please, each family then it is much easier to add to BCC and also for people to help you. :)
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Re: Brick Wall Griffiths - Wolverhampton

Postby Northern Lass » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:34 pm

So following John (Wm) Griffiths line...poss

jimmy found..
1881. Gas Yard Union Mill St, Wolverhampton.
Sarah Higgins 65. widow.
John Rich 31. Son.
Martha Griffiths 29. dau. married.
John Griffiths 6. son.
Elizabeth Griffiths 2. dau.
Martha Collings 61. boarder.


1891. address??
William L Davis 39. labourer at brick yard.
Martha Davis 40.
John Griffiths 17. stepson. labourer at brick yard.
Elizabeth Griffiths 12. Stepdaughter
William J Davis 8.
All born Wolverhampton.


1911 address??
GRIFFITHS, JOHN WILLIAM HEAD MARRIED M 34 LABOURER AT PAPER MILL AND ENGINEER FITTER WALSALL ST WOLVERHAMPTON STAFFS
GRIFFITHS, SUSAN [thompson] WIFE MARRIED 4 F 32 NEWTOWN STAFFORD
GRIFFITHS, ELSIE MAY DAUGHTER SINGLE F 2 HAUNGHWOOD RD STOCKINGFORD NUNEATON TAMWORTH STAFFS
GRIFFITHS, GLADYS EVELYN DAUGHTER SINGLE F 1 1 SPRING GARDEN NUNEATON TAMWORTH STAFFS

1907 marriage ? All Saints W'ton?...John Griffiths and a Susan...need full info pls anyone...father Henry for John on marriage
info from Geoff..."marriage July 1907 age 30 furnaceman 117 dartmouth Street Wolverhampton, father Harry Griffiths Puddler
All saints church"

poss birth from Jimmy
GRIFFITHS, JOHN mother RICH.
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 562.


Then poss parents from Jimmy posted prev shows

Free reg??
Wolverhampton St Matthew.
Marriage date 11 Oct 1874.
Henry GRIFFITHS. 24. Bachelor Puddler. Chapel Street.
Martha RICH. 21. Spinster. Chapel Street.
Witness Richard TENNANT, and Betsy GRIFFITHS.
Notes Banns; Grooms father deceased; Brides father deceased; Recorded by John E GLADSTONE.

Jimmy found..
Martha Griffiths married William Davies in 1886.

death,
GRIFFITHS, HENRY age 37.
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 395.

So how sure are you that John William Griffiths is the one with mother Martha Rich
Do you think that is the John William Griffiths you are looking for?

Martha Rich marries John Griffiths
He dies
She Marries a Davies
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Re: Brick Wall Griffiths - Wolverhampton

Postby geoff3d » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:37 pm

Yes, thanks my pc is currently down will pop in as possible via phone
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