Northern Lass wrote:And another query....I have. Pascale do you actually have the birth certif for Reginald Wyndham Jones cos on that it would show her maiden name and formerly names...so if married a few times it should show...at least it has for me... so eg. if she was married this Margaret to George Games JONES on certif for Reginald it should say mother Margaret JOnes formerly Smith...or something like that .. that way it would show at that time her name and her maiden name. So would be worth getting that I think.
I do have it. It says 'Margaret Jones, formerly Smith'. No mention of another marriage.
Northern Lass wrote:I think you might be right Pascale and on 1911 they are not married but she is a jOnes so her kids would be Jones and that George for appearance takes her name..... cos when he dies he is
Deaths Jun 1932
Sollars George W E 69 Hull 9d 306
I'm wondering if Margaret Jones and George Sollars perhaps even had an affair before or around 1901 (maybe they got found out or he just left his wife?) and they realised they wanted to marry, perhaps Margaret got pregnant with George Sollars' baby in 1901, even (they say they had 2 deceased children on the 1911 census record). I say this because I just can't get the following census out of my head, where he is already George Jones by 1901. Perhaps he is just deciding here in 1901 that he is George Jones, perhaps living with a friend who also gave him work? 'George Jones. Boarder. Single. Male. 38. 1863. General Labourer. Born in Bristol, Gloucestershire.' On Reginald's birth certificate, it says his father is George Jones, and his occupation was general labourer. On their 1911 census record, it says George Jones was born in Bristol in 1863.
1901 census:
27, Quarella Street, Barry, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
George Cooper. Head. Married. Male. 39. 1862. General Labourer. Offord D'Arcy, Huntingdonshire.
Francis Cooper. Wife. Married. Female. 37. 1864. Southoe, Huntingdonshire.
Walter Cooper. Son. Single. Male. 12. 1889. Southoe, Huntingdonshire.
William Cooper. Son. Single. Male. 11. 1890. Buckden, Huntingdonshire.
Charles Cooper. Son. Single Male. 5. 1896. Lutterworth, Leicestershire.
Jesse Anson. Boarder. Single. Male. 54. 1847. General Labourer Hambleton, Yorkshire.
Frederick Watts. Boarder. Single. Male. 28. 1873. General Labourer. Wicklewood, Norfolk.
George Jones. Boarder. Single. Male. 38. 1863. General Labourer Bristol, Gloucestershire.
George M Lacey. Boarder. Married. Male. 23. 1878. Musical Director. Maidenhead, Berkshire.
Dorothy E Lacey. Boarder Married. Female. 20. 1881. Actress London, Middlesex.
He is also here (the last known record of him with Caroline Ann Sollars):
1901 census: (Here you can see his middle name is Edward, like on Reginald’s birth cert)
52, Cyfarthfa Street, Roath, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
Geo Wm Edw Sollars Head. Married Male. 38. 1863 Railway Goods Guard Bristol, Gloucestershire.
Caroline Annie Sollars. Wife. Married. Female. 53. 1848. Bristol, Gloucestershire
Clara Sollars Daughter. Single. Female. 18. 1883. Bristol, Gloucestershire.
Ethel May Sollars. Daughter. Single Female 17. 1884. Bristol, Gloucestershire.
Nellie Sollars Daughter. Single Female 15. 1886. Domestic Servant. Bristol, Gloucestershire.
Fredk James Sollars. Son. Single. Male. 11. 1890. Bath, Somerset.
Beatrice Sollars. Niece. Single. Female 4. 1897. Bristol, Gloucestershire.
Northern Lass wrote:Question.....when does Reginald die and what is his surname...does he use Sollars again? any electoral info as to Georges surname
does he keep with JOnes ...or change back to Sollars after 1911
Reginald dies as Reginald Wyndham Jones in 1982 in Portsmouth.
After 1911 the next known records of George and Margaret Jones are these census ones:
1927 electoral roll.
24, Saint Luke’s Street, Hull, Yorkshire
George Jones
Margaret Jones
1928 electoral roll.
24, Saint Luke’s Street, Hull, Yorkshire
George Jones
Margaret Jones
1929 electoral roll.
24, Saint Luke’s Street, Hull, Yorkshire
George Jones
Margaret Jones
Frederick Howe
1930 electoral roll.
24, Saint Luke’s Street, Hull, Yorkshire
George Jones
Margaret Jones
William Arthur Jones (with an a next to it - absent voter, I think?)
1931 electoral roll.
24, Saint Luke’s Street, Hull, Yorkshire
George Jones
Margaret Jones
William Arthur Jones
Reginald Wyndham Jones
Hilda Jones
The next record I have for George Jones is what I believe to be him when he died, as George W E Sollars again:
Death record:
GEORGE W E SOLLARS
Birth year 1863
Age 69
Q2 1932
Hull, Yorkshire
Volume 9D, Page 306
I'm starting to think they George and Margaret (senior, born 1877) never married!?
Northern Lass wrote:PascalePC wrote:*NB. The GRO just gave me a refund for the Edith M Jones 1923 birth record search. The mother's first name can't be Hilda....*
so what was the dob on this one?...and why was it that the mothers name cant be Hilda...I thought that is what you were after ...mother being a Hilda Hardwick.
Births Dec 1923
Jones Edith M Hardwick Rhayader 11b 196
Sorry - I meant that I asked the GRO for this record, but only if the mother’s first name was Hilda. They refunded me, so it means her mother’s first name wasn’t Hilda.
Northern Lass wrote:is this one worth asking what mothers name is and dob
Births Dec 1924
Hardwick Marion Hardwick Wakefield 9c 45
Yes, I will check this one for Margaret (junior). Thanks. I think now I’m not so attached to 31/12/1923 as her DOB, I think I’ll check the GRO later for this one again, and check if the mother's first name is Hilda:
MARGARET SEDGWICK
Q1 1924
Mother's last name Hardwick
Sheffield
Northern Lass wrote:Pascale where in worcs was Hilda born with a bit of luck it is near the Bc area and we can run with the BC info so if anyone sees it on Bcc they will contact us and we can forward to you
Her mother was called Hilda Hardwick and was born 08/05/1902 in Worcester (I have her birth certificate and death certificate).can you post info on this pls
Oh thank you, Northern Lass
Birth certificate info:
County Borough of Worcester and County of Worcester
Hilda Hardwick. Girl. Born 08/05/1902 at 14, York Place, Worcester. Father: William Henry Hardwick. Mother: Edith Mary Hardwick, formerly Day. Occupation of father: Brushmaker (journeyman). Registered: 20/06/1902.
Death certificate info:
County Borough of Portsmouth
Died: 20/12/1973 at St Mary’s hospital, Portsmouth.
Hilda Jones. Female. Maiden name: Hardewicke
Date and place of birth: Worester, Worcestershire.
Occupation: Wife of Reginald Wyndham Jones. Storeman. 46, Portobello Grove, Portchester, Fareham.
Name & surname of informant: Reginald Wyndham Jones. Widower of deceased.
46, Portobello Grove, Portchester, Fareham.
Cause of death: adenocarcinoma of ovary, carcinomatosis
Date of registration: 21/12/1973