Round of Beef PUB, 46 Tibbetts Garden, Cradley Heath

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Round of Beef PUB, 46 Tibbetts Garden, Cradley Heath

Postby Rob G » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:29 pm

I would like information regarding the above pub which was kept by my family during 19th & early 20th century -

Joseph BURLEY (1810-1891) m. Maria TIBBETTS (1811-1877) and were at the Round of Beef between 1860-81. Joseph is also listed as keeping "The Cheese" - can anyone tell me something about this pub?

Nancy BURLEY (1845-1922) m. William Henry FOLEY (1842-1917) and were at the Round of Beef between 1888-1910 - I have photo of them outside the pub c1900.

Are there other photos available? Also appreciate anything re Tibbetts Garden which, pressumably, was named after the TIBBETTS family of whom there were many in the area, some of whom married into the BURLEY family

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Re: Round of Beef PUB, 46 Tibbetts Garden, Cradley Heath

Postby Northern Lass » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:25 am

Hi RobG so you connect here
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =882078768

Would you like me to add your username onto Joseph Burley and Maria Tibbetts.

So your Maria and My Susannah are sisters...that makes us... :? something cousins ??removed.

I had the answer to why it was Tibbetts Gardens and can't find it!
cAn't remember who bought the houses...Silver Surfer will know.

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Re: Round of Beef PUB, 46 Tibbetts Garden, Cradley Heath

Postby SRD » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:20 am

If you google "tibbetts gardens" "cradley heath" there are several links including to an Ancestry discussion on the street which includes the following:
"Hi Patrick. you may already have found this info but tibbetts gardens was known also as tibbett's back. it was behind the high street in cradley heath and is now occupied by the roads Northgate, southgate and woodfield avenue."


For some reason there are several pictures of Ash Pits in the area, including ones in Tibbetts Gardens

Hitchmough's Pubs (Rowley Regis) has info on the pub. http://www.longpull.co.uk/HBCPdownloads ... is%202.pdf which includes an alternative address of "8 Northgate"

There are references to a bankruptcy in the street in the Edinburgh Gazette
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Re: Round of Beef PUB, 46 Tibbetts Garden, Cradley Heath

Postby Silver surfer » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:43 pm

Hi Rob G, if you would like to send me a private message with your email address I could let you have a few bits of info. William Foley was my gt gd father.
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Re: Round of Beef PUB, 46 Tibbetts Garden, Cradley Heath

Postby Silver surfer » Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:15 am

Sorry for the memory lapse Rob, have already got your email address haven't I? Did I send you the will of Thomas Martin? That shows how the Tibbetts and Burley families came to have houses in Tibbetts Garden.
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Re: Round of Beef PUB, 46 Tibbetts Garden, Cradley Heath

Postby Northern Lass » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:52 am

Silver surfer wrote:Sorry for the memory lapse Rob, have already got your email address haven't I? Did I send you the will of Thomas Martin? That shows how the Tibbetts and Burley families came to have houses in Tibbetts Garden.

How did they in a nutshell?
I think you sent it me but can't find it :(
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Re: Round of Beef PUB, 46 Tibbetts Garden, Cradley Heath

Postby SRD » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:00 am

Incidentally there's a topic here on it:
https://genealogyforum.co.uk/forum/view ... 99&p=12358

If the pub was open in the 1970s the chances are I'd have been in. As I was involved with the Campaign for Real Ale in those days I tried to visit all the pubs in Cradley Heath. I also recall an exceptional Off Licence on one of the roads running down from Five Ways, it sold beer on draught and I think it was run by someone who also had had a pub, might that have been 'the Cheese'?
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Re: Round of Beef PUB, 46 Tibbetts Garden, Cradley Heath

Postby Silver surfer » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:04 pm

From Thomas Martins (1743-1826) will made 1825 and proved 1826
4 houses lately occupied as a Baptist chapel in Rowley Town, Staffs.,to John Tibbotts for life, thence to children as tenants in common; 7 houses in Rowley Regis, adjoining the last, to nephew Thomas Tibbotts for life,
thence to children as tenants in common; the next 4 in Rowley Regis, to nephew Joseph Attwood for life, thence to his children; house testator lives in and adjoining premises, to nephew William Tibbotts;
next 6 dwelling houses for Joseph Burley and Nancy Burley, children of John Burley, at age 21.

Thomas's sister Elizabeth married John Tibbetts (1747-1833) and so the John above was their son.
John Burley(1787-1860) married Elizabeth Tibbetts and their children Joseph and Nancy were the beneficiaries named above, Elizabeth being the daughter of John Tibbetts and Elizabeth Martin. Wm Tibbetts was Johns brother.

Hope you can understand that. :roll: and hope I've got it right
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Re: Round of Beef PUB, 46 Tibbetts Garden, Cradley Heath

Postby Silver surfer » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:33 am

Jan, can send you the fully transcribed will again if you like, but can't find your email address.
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Re: Round of Beef PUB, 46 Tibbetts Garden, Cradley Heath

Postby Rob G » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:46 pm

Hello Northern Lass

yes, the connection (sisters Susannah & Maria) is right so please go ahead and link up. This gives me another line to investigate :grin:
Got the photos, lovely thanks!
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Re: Round of Beef PUB, 46 Tibbetts Garden, Cradley Heath

Postby Rob G » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:59 pm

Also thanks for input from SRD, had a look at the link which adds a bit more.

But, can anyone offer definitive information re a Cradley Heath pub called The Cheese?

and regarding the Round of Beef, I understand that it was demolished early 1960s.

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Re: Round of Beef PUB, 46 Tibbetts Garden, Cradley Heath

Postby Jimmy » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:31 pm

There is mention of the "CHEESE" in the Rowley Regis pubs download, just says Cradley Heath.

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Re: Round of Beef PUB, 46 Tibbetts Garden, Cradley Heath

Postby SRD » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:10 am

I think that one of those pub sites says it was demolished in the 1990s when the new road system was installed but somewhere, and I can't find it again, I think there was a mention that it closed either in 1963 or 1968. Are the electoral rolls or rating levels for then available?
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Re: Round of Beef PUB, 46 Tibbetts Garden, Cradley Heath

Postby Northern Lass » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:56 pm

moving this to Black Country PUbs section.
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