Frederick Arthur Floyd

[yerffej]

I have received a marriage certificate today for my grandparents William Albert Floyd and Bertha Benson Married 4th April 1925
William Albert Floyd, 21 years, Bachelor, Motor-man, 8 Beswick Street, West Derby
Father: Frederick Arthur Floyd, Furniture Porter
Bertha Benson, 21 years, Spinster, House-maid, 4 Gillow?? (can't read it) Terrace, Everton
Father: Thomas Benson (deceased), Carter

I was unsure whether my great grandfather was William Floyd or Frederick Albert Floyd
Now that I have the information can anyone help to get back any further?
Thanks

[Jimmy]

Are these in the same house.
1911. West Derby Lancashire. Basics.
FLOYD FREDERICK ARTHUR. 1873 38.
FLOYD MARY. 1874. 37.
FLOYD WILLIAM FRANCIS. 1901. 10.
FLOYD FREDERICK ARTHUR. 1905. 6.
FLOYD WILLIAM ALBERT. 1907. 4.
FLOYD EDWARD. 1800 1911.

[Jimmy]

Possible,
Marriages Jun 1904.
Clarke Edith Elizabeth. Fylde. 8e. 1307.
Floyd Frederick Arthur. Fylde. 8e. 1307.
Higgins Mary Bessie. Fylde. 8e. 1307.
Webb Herbert. Fylde. 8e. 1307.

[Jimmy]

Births Dec 1901.
Higgins William Francis. Manchester. 8d. 202.

Births Sep 1906.
Floyd William Albert. Liverpool. 8b. 76.

[yerffej]

Thankyou
Is there a birth for Mary Bessie Higgins or as William Francis was born 1901 and she didnt marry Frederick Arthur until 1904 could she possibly have been married before?
Can anyone find Frederick Arthur Floyd on 1901 census?

[Jimmy]

Are these in the same house.
1911. West Derby Lancashire. Basics.
FLOYD FREDERICK ARTHUR. 1873 38.
FLOYD MARY. 1874. 37.
FLOYD WILLIAM FRANCIS. 1901. 10.
FLOYD FREDERICK ARTHUR. 1905. 6.
FLOYD WILLIAM ALBERT. 1907. 4.
FLOYD EDWARD. 1800 1911.

Could someone post the full details on this please.

[Jimmy]

Name: Frederick Arthur Floyd.
Birth Date: Oct 1904.
Baptism Date: 11 Jan 1905.
Parish: Kensington Christ Church. (Liverpool, Lancashire)
Father's name: Frederick Arthur Floyd.
Mother's name: Elizabeth Floyd.

Can't make out occupation, address.

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[Maths girl]

Are these in the same house.
1911. West Derby Lancashire. Basics.
FLOYD FREDERICK ARTHUR. 1873 38.
FLOYD MARY. 1874. 37.
FLOYD WILLIAM FRANCIS. 1901. 10.
FLOYD FREDERICK ARTHUR. 1905. 6.
FLOYD WILLIAM ALBERT. 1907. 4.
FLOYD EDWARD. 1800 1911.

Could someone post the full details on this please.

1911 21 Leigh St Liverpool
MARTIN, William Head Married M 35 1876 General Labourer County Down Ireland
MARTIN, Robina Wife Married 12 years F 38 1873 Douglas Isle of Man (0 children)
FLOYD, Frederick Arthur Boarder Married M 38 1873 General Labourer Pimberton Near Preston Lancs
FLOYD, Mary Boarder Married 11 years F 37 1874 Liverpool Lancs (5children 3 still living)
FLOYD, Frederick Arthur Boarder Single M 6 1905 Liverpool Lancs
FLOYD, William Albert Boarder Single M 4 1907 Liverpool Lancs
FLOYD, William Francis Boarder Single M 10 1901 Liverpool Lancs
DUFFEY, Daniel Boarder Single M 29 1882 Railway Employee Cattle Shed Cleaner Liverpool Lancs
INGLE, Nannie Visitor Widow F 28 1883 Assisting In Business Retail Dublin Ireland ( 1 child)
INGLE, Christinia Visitor F 7 1904 Liverpool Lancs

[Maths girl]

1891 Fernbank, Small Lane, Coppenhall Monks, Crewe
HOUSE, Charles W Head Married M 37 1854 Draper & Furniture Dealer Taunton Somersetshire
HOUSE, Mary J Wife Married F 38 1853 Taunton Somersetshire
HOUSE, Christopher Son M 13 1878 Scholar Bristol
HOUSE, Annie A Daughter F 15 1876 Scholar Taunton Somersetshire
PROCTER, Mary J Niece F 6 1885 Scholar Crewe Cheshire
PROCTER, Walter T Brother In Law Single M 30 1861 Assistant In A Furniture Warehouse Taunton Somersetshire
OAKES, Edith Servant Single F 21 1870 General Servant Domestic Shavington Cheshire
FLOYD, Frederick A Visitor Single M 17 1874 General Labourer Preston Lancashire

[yerffej]

I have just received the marriage certificate for Frederick Arthur Floyd and Mary Bessie Higgins!!
Here are the details:
1904 Marriage solemnized at The Parish Church in the parish of South Shore in the County of Lancaster
When married: 16th May 1904
Name: Frederick Arthur Floyd
Age: 31
Condition: Bachelor
Profession: Mechanic
Residence at time of marriage: 33 Bagot Street
Father's name: John William Floyd (deceased)
Father's profession: Architect
Name: Mary Bessie Higgins
Age: 30
Condition: Spinster
Profession: -
Residence at time of marriage: 33 Bagot Street
Father's name: William Higgins
Father's profession: Coal Merchant
Witnesses were Thomas Carter & Eliza Carter

Can anyone help me any further with this. I have absolutely no information as yet on Frederick's father as I had no idea who he was and the same for William Higgins, although its the Floyd family i'm concentrating on to begin with as that's my name

[Jimmy]

There isn't a birth reg for Frederick Arthur Floyd, but there is this one,

Births Sep 1871.
WOODS Frederick Arthur. Preston. 8e. 583.

1901. 18 Commonside, Lytham, Lancashire.
John W Floyd 59. Carpenter - Joiner. Uphampton, Worcestershire.
Elizabeth A Floyd 53. Preston, Lancashire.
Frederick A Woods 28. Stepson. Engine Stoker railways. Preston, Lancashire.
Lillie Barker 17. Adopted Daughter. Salford, Lancashire.

1881.
James CHARNLEY Head U Male 43 Preston, Lancashire, England Cord Grinder Unemployed
Elizabeth A.J. WOODS Lodger W Female 33 Preston, Lancashire, England Dressmaker
William A. WOODS Son Male 13 Preston, Lancashire, England Stonemasons Labourer
John J. WOODS Son Male 12 Preston, Lancashire, England Scholar
Frances L. WOODS Daur Female 10 Preston, Lancashire, England Scholar
Frederick A. WOODS Son Male 9 Preston, Lancashire, England Scholar
Edith A. WOODS Daur Female 7 Preston, Lancashire, England Scholar
Ernest R. WOODS Son Male 2 Preston, Lancashire, England
John William FLOYD Lodger M Male 39 Uphampton, Worcester, England Carpenter & House Joiner

54 Victoria St.
Preston, Lancashire.

[yerffej]

That would explain why no one could find his birth!
And also the two censuses I have missing for Frederick are 1881 and 1901!
Does this mean that Frederick was never a real Floyd? If so, then it looks like this is the end of my Floyd name Could he put the name Floyd on the marriage certificate legally if he was actually Woods??

[Stonewaller]

I have also found what Jimmy found on the 1881 census.

In 1871, at 1 Sidney Place, Preston:
Thomas WOODS Head Mar Male 31 Preston, Lancashire, Cotton Weaver
Eliz. WOODS Wife Mar Female 25 Preston, Lancashire
William A. WOODS Son Male 3 Preston, Lancashire, Scholar
John J. WOODS Son Male 2 Preston, Lancashire
Frances WOODS Daur Female 10 Preston, Lancashire

Hope this helps.

[yerffej]

Thankyou That has actually proved it then. I noticed on the 1881 census that John William Floyd is down as a lodger. I thought maybe Frederick WAS his child but she was with the head of the family James Charnley as he is "son" and the relationship is usually to the head of the family isnt it?? but then from the 1871 she is married and Frederick is there as son so neither John William Floyd nor James Charnley were his father!! His parents must have been Thomas & Elizabeth Woods.
But John William Floyd is down as father on Frederick's marriage certificate??

[yerffej]

Oh just noticed that Frederick isnt there in 1871 but obviously as his birth was reg Sep 1871 after the census.