Unable to find Record of Birth

[Cooper70]

Hi there
My main reason for joining the site is that I have two family members that I cannot find any birth record for. On the 1921 census under Jesse ANDREWS born 1892 Kensington, London,
With Wife Florence PATTENDEN, Son Frederick ANDREWS which we know about as he is my Father In Law.
Richard ANDREWS, Born 1916 D. 1962. Again we know about his death but unable to trace a Birth Record 1921 census states Born Londonn Nth Kensigton.
William ANDREWS Born about 1919 London Nth Kensington. Unable to find a birth Record
Could they be adopted? Went on Find My Past, entered with mothers Maiden name Pattenden and 'no records' came up.
Tried with the Maiden Name and the right area didn't come up.
Is there a way of looking up adoption from that time? if records were kept.
Any help would be very much appreciated

[peterd]

hi cooper welcome to the forum

he was born early than you thought


Births Sep 1912
Andrews Frederick J Pattenden Marylebone 1a 924

Births Jun 1913
Andrews Helen Pattenden St.Olave 1d 370

Births Jun 1916
Andrews William J Pattenden St.Olave 1d 279

[Northern Lass]

moved to gen. discussion

[Cooper70]

Hi
I am going by the entry on the 1921 census:
ANDREWS william 2yrs 7 mths
ANDREWS Richard 4yrs 11 mths
Both born London Nth Kensington.
ANDREWS Frederick J. I have birth records etc as he is my father in law.
I did consider the William born St Olaves but that would make him 4/5 years old when filling in the 1921 census big difference /mistake to make when filling in the form.

[peterd]

Hi
I am going by the entry on the 1921 census:
ANDREWS william 2yrs 7 mths
ANDREWS Richard 4yrs 11 mths
Both born London Nth Kensington.
ANDREWS Frederick J. I have birth records etc as he is my father in law.
I did consider the William born St Olaves but that would make him 4/5 years old when filling in the 1921 census big difference /mistake to make when filling in the form.

the censuses are not always correct as the person giving the details could be anyone, have you found them on the 1939 registry that usually gives the DOB or the GRO index

[peterd]

GRO index

Males

ANDREWS, THOMAS PATTENDEN
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in ST. OLAVE, BERMONDSEY Volume 01D Page 181

ANDREWS, FREDERICK JOHN PATTENDEN
GRO Reference: 1912 S Quarter in ST. MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 924

ANDREWS, WILLIAM JAMES PATTENDEN
GRO Reference: 1916 J Quarter in ST. OLAVE (BERMONDSEY) Volume 01D Page 279

ANDREWS, GEORGE PATTENDEN
GRO Reference: 1920 J Quarter in ST. OLAVE (BERMONDSEY) Volume 01D Page 401


Females

ANDREWS, MARGARET PATTENDEN
GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in SAINT OLAVE BERMONDSEY Volume 01D Page 205

ANDREWS, MARY CHARLOTTE PATTENDEN
GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 34

ANDREWS, HELEN PATTENDEN
GRO Reference: 1913 J Quarter in ST. OLAVE (BERMONDSEY) Volume 01D Page 370


some of the earlier children may belong to this couple

Marriages Dec 1896
Andrews James St. Saviour 1d 153
Pattenden Sarah Ann St. Saviour 1d 153

[peterd]

william james loos like his mother was sarah ann & james

1939 registry
23 Purbrook Street, Bermondsey, London, England

Sarah A Andrews 92, 1 Dec 1847 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Thomas Andrews 29, 24 Jan 1910 Labourer
Helen Andrews 26, 1 Mar 1913 Stock-Keeper
William J Andrews 23, 1 Apr 1916 Driver
George Andrews 19, 12 Apr 1920 (this shown as closed? Don't know where details come from)
Alice E Grace Andrews 19, 2 jan 20? Typist

helen mar [Helen Bence]

[peterd]

1939 registry 14, (no street blanked out) Kensington

Jesse Joan (john) Andrews 46, 5 Nov 1893 Coal Carman
Florence May Andrews 45, 29 Jun 1894 Laundress
Richard Andrews 23, 27 Jul 1916 Coal Carman


still cannot find his birth index

[Cooper70]

Hi
Thank you all for your replies

My query is finding birth records for Richard and William Andrews. My husband is the son of Fredrick John Andrews Grandfather Jesse Andrews Grandmother Florence Andrews nee Pattenden.
Richard Andrews I am unable to find any birth records to Jesse and Florence, I know about his death have all these records
Did not have any knowledge of William Andrews until looking at the 1921 census. Unable to find any records connecting him with Jesse and Florence.
Is there any other Avenue I can take to try and trace them?

[Cooper70]

Hi Peterd
the 1939 census you mention what did you look under as I cant seem to find it

[peterd]

Hi Peterd
the 1939 census you mention what did you look under as I cant seem to find it

it's not a census it an NHS registry when you search for years select 1900, then select 1930s

[peterd]

Hi
Thank you all for your replies

My query is finding birth records for Richard and William Andrews. My husband is the son of Fredrick John Andrews Grandfather Jesse Andrews Grandmother Florence Andrews nee Pattenden.
Richard Andrews I am unable to find any birth records to Jesse and Florence, I know about his death have all these records
Did not have any knowledge of William Andrews until looking at the 1921 census. Unable to find any records connecting him with Jesse and Florence.
Is there any other Avenue I can take to try and trace them?

you can also look at family trees to see if anyone else as info on the people you are looking for