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My heritage lookup - John Ireland, Sweden

Postby snoopysue » Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:32 am

Does anyone have access to My Heritage?

They have a record that seems to relate to John Ireland b. abt 1836, Winchcombe, Gloucestershire. He married Mary Augusta Greiner (b. Germany). John worked as a strip caster and probably worked at the foundry in Skultuna (it's from the 1600's and still exists).

They were in Sweden from the mid 1870's. We have family photos taken by a Swedish photographer, and the 1881/ 1891 Census has son George Maynard Ireland born in Sweden. Other children are Walter, Randolph, Caroline, and William.

There is a record on My Heritage, but I don't have access to it.

Thanks for any help.
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Re: My heritage lookup - John Ireland, Sweden

Postby Northern Lass » Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:54 am

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Re: My heritage lookup - John Ireland, Sweden

Postby snoopysue » Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:14 pm

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Re: My heritage lookup - John Ireland, Sweden

Postby snoopysue » Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:35 pm

From Ancestry:

Name:John Ireland
Gender:Man (Male)
Birth Date:7 mar 1836
Departure Date:10 okt 1880 (10 Oct 1880)
Departure Place:Skultuna, Västmanland
Arrival Place:Birmingham
Occupation or Relation: Gjutarmätare
Marital status:Married
Notes:Travels with family

Gjutarmatare translates as "casting meter" according to Google translate, but a general google search gives no results. A Swedish website says that a gjutare is a castor, founder or moulder and works in a foundry.
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Re: My heritage lookup - John Ireland, Sweden

Postby kdwoodie » Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:50 am

Have you tried Family Search, the record is on there with image.
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Re: My heritage lookup - John Ireland, Sweden

Postby snoopysue » Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:12 pm

kdwoodie wrote:Have you tried Family Search, the record is on there with image.


Thanks I'll check that out!
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Re: My heritage lookup - John Ireland, Sweden

Postby snoopysue » Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:36 pm

That's what I was looking for! Thanks! And how much has family search changed since i was there last!

This has thrown up a potential issue though - the youngest son, George Maynard Ireland was born in 1873, the British census records all have Sweden as place of birth, the transcript of the Swedish record says Birmingham, but the image doesn't say where he was born (as Swedish is similar to Danish, I understand it pretty well - I think the transcribed has assumed that ditto is missing with George), so now I'm on the look out for a conclusive birth record!
The family seem to have left Birmingham on the 11th October 1871, so that would suggest Sweden as place of birth.
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Re: My heritage lookup - John Ireland, Sweden

Postby kdwoodie » Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:54 pm

Sorry i dont know Swedish.

Could this be him ?
Name: George Mayner
[George Mayner Enelund]
[George Mayner Johansson]
Gender: Man (Male)
Birth Date: 6 maj 1873 (6 May 1873)
Birth Place: Skultuna, Västmanland, Sverige (Sweden)
Father: Johan Enelund
Mother: Maria Augusta Paulina Greyman
Volume: 469
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Re: My heritage lookup - John Ireland, Sweden

Postby snoopysue » Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:26 pm

kdwoodie wrote:Sorry i dont know Swedish.

Could this be him ?
Name: George Mayner
[George Mayner Enelund]
[George Mayner Johansson]
Gender: Man (Male)
Birth Date: 6 maj 1873 (6 May 1873)
Birth Place: Skultuna, Västmanland, Sverige (Sweden)
Father: Johan Enelund
Mother: Maria Augusta Paulina Greyman
Volume: 469


Yes!
The date is correct, the place is correct, the Christian names are correct - his mother was Mary (or Maria) Augusta Paulina Greiner.
I'm not sure when the swedes stopped the practice of giving John's son the surname Johnson (or Johansson) but the Danes were still doing it in the 1850's and the practice died out in the cities before the more rural areas. Enelund could be a mis-transcription of Ireland.

Is this from family search?

Just as an anecdote, John Ireland is supposed to have met the Swedish king and chatted to him, without realising who he was!
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Re: My heritage lookup - John Ireland, Sweden

Postby kdwoodie » Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:45 pm

Ancestry, i searched Sweden in New collections then births.
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Re: My heritage lookup - John Ireland, Sweden

Postby snoopysue » Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:18 pm

I need to brush up on my search skills! Thanks for your help. The Swedish is not too difficult but there are some terms that I don't understand - maybe they're a bit too archaic for my modern Danish!

The image has George as their 7th child (which means I'm missing a child), with John and Mary/ Maria married 14 years. John's name is spelt correctly on the image, George and His mother's aren't (I'm going after the most commonly used spellings they seemed to use).
There's a lot of columns for recording whether the mother was married, windowed, divorced, engaged, unmarried etc - Danish records are similar in this respect.
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Re: My heritage lookup - John Ireland, Sweden

Postby kdwoodie » Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:43 pm

I don' think George is the 7th child he is 7th on the list
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Re: My heritage lookup - John Ireland, Sweden

Postby snoopysue » Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:08 am

kdwoodie wrote:I don' think George is the 7th child he is 7th on the list


It's on the image, just under his name.
It doesn't make sense any other way - one of the other children in the record is the 2nd child of the father, but the 4th of the mother. George is the 24th child in the record book for that year.
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