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Re: William Wallace and William Henry Prince

Postby gardener » Wed May 13, 2020 7:34 pm

Marriages Jun 1867
MARSH William Henry Spilsby 7a 1171
PICKERING Emma Spilsby 7a 1171
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Re: William Wallace and William Henry Prince

Postby gardener » Wed May 13, 2020 7:45 pm

1861

Registration district: Spilsby
Sub-registration district: Wainfleet All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 119
Piece: 2373
Folio: 15
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Marsh 64 widow dressmaker, Lincolnshire St Peters
William Henry Marsh 17 son Brick maker Lincs, Wrangle
Thomas Calagan 28 visitor Ireland
Elizabeth Calagan 28
Bridget Calagan 2
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Re: William Wallace and William Henry Prince

Postby Jimmy » Wed May 13, 2020 7:51 pm

Well done Gardener,

Next door to this is a Joseph Pickering,

1880. Southfield, Oakland, Michigan, USA.
William Marsh 35. Farm labourer.
Emma Marsh 33.
Joseph Marsh 12.
William Marsh 11. Farm Labourer.
Emma Marsh 8.
all born England.
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Re: William Wallace and William Henry Prince

Postby gardener » Wed May 13, 2020 8:04 pm

Good job with the 1880!

I think this is the 1851

Registration district: Spilsby
Sub-registration district: Stickney
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 140
Piece: 2109
Folio: 115
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Marth 48 [says Marsh] head wid cottagers widow, pauper Lincolnshire Toynton St Peters
Elizabeth Marth 20 dau seamstress Lincolns, Friskney
William H Marth 7 Lincolns, Wrangle
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Re: William Wallace and William Henry Prince

Postby gardener » Wed May 13, 2020 9:11 pm

And Family search has one baptism

Name:
Joseph Marsh
Name Note:
1st Son
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
3 May 1868
Event Place:
Stockton upon Tees St Thomas, Durham, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Stockton-On-Tees, Durham, England
Event Place Note:
Parish of Holy Trinity
Gender:
Male
Father's Name:
William Henry Marsh
Mother's Name:
Emma Marsh
Record Number:
102

but I can't see the other two
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Re: William Wallace and William Henry Prince

Postby gardener » Wed May 13, 2020 10:08 pm

This should be the birth for William Henry Marsh

Births Jun 1843
MARSH William Henry Boston 14 244

The site that gives mother's maiden names does not have this entry for some reason.

His baptism is listed under his mother's name though

Name:
William Henry Marsh
Event Type:
Baptism
Event Date:
24 Apr 1844
Event Place:
Wrangle, Lincolnshire, England, United Kingdom
Gender:
Male
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth Marsh

I suppose there is a slim chance that his father had the surname Prince. Otherwise I can see no reason to change the surname

This might be Elizabeth's baptism

Name: Elizabeth Marsh
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 16 Nov 1830
Baptism Place: Wrangle, Lincoln, England
Father: William Marsh
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 1542047
Reference ID: yr 1652-1914 p 80

and there is a burial

Name:
William Marsh
Event Type:
Burial
Event Date:
03 Mar 1834
Event Place:
Wrangle, Lincolnshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Wrangle, Lincolnshire, England, United Kingdom
Age:
41
Birth Year (Estimated):
1793

So IF that is Elizabeth's husband and the father of Elizabeth jnr. then anyone could be the father of William Henry. (But this is getting into fiction now)
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Re: William Wallace and William Henry Prince

Postby eprince75 » Wed May 13, 2020 11:47 pm

Jimmy and Gardener thank you so much for your help....Jimmy that was all my records for my grandfathers and Gardener that is awesome...Thank you so much...now I have a strong starting point. You guys are awesome. I really appreciate your help.
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Re: William Wallace and William Henry Prince

Postby grangers14 » Thu May 14, 2020 6:17 pm

Stockton on Tees is where near I live!
I'm lost a little on the thread but...

Honolulu, Hawaii, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1900-1959
Prince William Wallace, 53, Apr 28 1869, Stockton England
Name: William Wallace Prince
Age: 53
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1869
Birth Place: stockton England
Ship: Maui
Port of Arrival: Honolulu, Hawaii
Arrival Date: 26 Sep 1922

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Re: William Wallace and William Henry Prince

Postby eprince75 » Fri May 15, 2020 2:45 am

Hi Everyone,

I was able to take what you told me and do some research and I had my DNA results and matches. I was to verify that your guys hard work and help was spot on. Thank you so much for your help I really appreciate it. My dad 4 years ago, a few months after I started to really start looking and so this really means a lot because he never knew anything about his grandfather or paternal side of the family. His dad never talked about them and my grandmother didn't really know them. So thank you so much for your help. It really meant a lot. Some things that I did find out was they changed their name after Emma Pickering passed away, after they immigrated.
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Re: William Wallace and William Henry Prince

Postby Jimmy » Fri May 15, 2020 8:27 pm

Jimmy wrote:
1880. Southfield, Oakland, Michigan, USA.
William Marsh 35. Farm labourer.
Emma Marsh 33.
Joseph Marsh 12.
William Marsh 11. Farm Labourer.
Emma Marsh 8.
all born England.


Next door,

Could this Joseph Pickering be Emma's brother,
1880. Southfield, Oakland, Michigan, USA.
Joseph Pickering 44. Farmer.
Mary A. Pickering 46.
Julia Pickering 18.
Augusta Pickering 17.
Nellie Pickering 15.
Hattie Pickering 14.
Lizzie Pickering 12.

All born England.
1851. Brotherton, Yorkshire.
John Pickring 42. Rail labourer.
Sarah Pickring 41.
Joseph Pickring 18.
Jane Pickring 15.
Hanah Pickring 10.
Emma Pickring 5.
William Pickring 1.

all born Brotherton, Yorkshire.
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