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Im struggling with this one

Postby Katykat » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:59 pm

Marriage: 10 Apr 1909 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancs.
Thomas Warburton - 21, Wire Worker, Bachelor, 15 Battersby Lane, Warrington
Ellen Lawless - 21, Spinster, 1 Greenall Street, Warrington
Groom's Father: Thomas Warburton, Wire Worker
Bride's Father: Thomas Lawless, (deceased), Iron Worker
Witness: Harry Leather; Janet Gertrude Lawless
Married by Banns by: T. W. Barber, Assist. Priest
Register: Marriages 1908 - 1913, Page 31, Entry 62
Source: Original Parish Register

I cant place Ellen Lawless within my tree. No birth records. Thomas and Ellen had a son George in 1910. My surviving aunt insists that Georges mother was called Nelly ( fits in with Ellen) . She says Nelly was her dads sister. But-her dad was William and his dad was Peter ( Lawless) But the Ellen in the above notice had a dad called Thomas. Its a puzzle I cant fathom. It must be the correct couple because I definately have the witness Janet Gertrude Lawless in my tree ( daughter of Peter) The only record I can find for George Warburton is the GRO record which states his mothers maiden name was Lawless.
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Re: Im struggling with this one

Postby gardener » Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:25 pm

Marriage: 10 Apr 1909 St Elphin, Warrington, Lancashire, England
Thomas Warburton - 21, Wire Worker, Bachelor, 15 Battersby Lane, Warrington
Ellen Lawless - 21, Spinster, 1 Greenall Street, Warrington
Groom's Father: Thomas Warburton, Wire Worker
Bride's Father: Thomas Lawless, (deceased), Iron Worker
Witness: Harry Leather; Janet Gertrude Lawless
Married by Banns by: T. W. Barber, Assist. Priest
Register: Marriages 1908 - 1913, Page 31, Entry 62
Source: Original Parish Register

1911
Name: Janet Gertrude Lawless
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Born Warrington

1901
Ellen Lawless 38 wid
Janet Lawless 16
Thomas H Lawless 14
Mary E Lawless 13
Annie Lawless 11
Peter Lawless 9
Francis Lawless 5
William Lawless 3
Agnes Lawless 1
Catherine Quinn 40

1891
Peter Lawless 34
Ellen Lawless 28
Rose Lawless 11
Janet Lawless 6
Thomas Lawless 4
Mary Lawless 2
Anne Lawless 7


LAWLESS, JANET GERTRUDE GANNON
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 214

LAWLESS, THOMAS HENRY GANNON
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 196

LAWLEES, MARY ELLEN GANNON
GRO Reference: 1888 J Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 222

LAWLESS, ANN GANNON
GRO Reference: 1890 J Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 214

It is impossible to be sure, but perhaps Ellen was Mary Ellen (right age, father Peter was a sheet-iron corrugator in 1891 and deceased by 1901). It would not be the first time that the groom's father's first name was also entered as the bride's father's name.
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Re: Im struggling with this one

Postby Katykat » Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:18 pm

Thank you Gardener. I think for the sake of my sanity, Im going to go with your suggestion that Ellens father was documented wrongly in the 1909 notice. It happened with another relative where her brother was listed as her father.. It took me ages to solve that one. So, thanks for your input and a Happy New Year.
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Re: Im struggling with this one

Postby Katykat » Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:00 pm

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Ok, Ive done a bit of delving. The Nellie that my Aunt must be getting confused with is actually Thomas and Ellens daughter, born in 1915. She was definately named Nellie, not Ellen. She was actually my Aunts ( & my Dads) cousin. Ill excuse my Aunt on account that shes 90 and I had just shared a bottle of prosecco with her.
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