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"Not born in county" -? - London UK

Postby kr236rk » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:02 pm

Hi,

Found a reference to an ancestor:-

"1841: Flask Walk, St John Hampstead, Edmonton, Middlesex & London, England,
Thomas Powell, 43, Labourer, Not born in County 1798."


When it says "Not born in County" does this mean the county of London please, & if so, where did the county extend to in 1841, so that I could search neighbouring counties for Thomas Powell's birth details?

What was in the County of London (Metropolis) at this time, and what counties were outside, surrounding it please?

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Re: "Not born in county" -? - London UK

Postby SRD » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:10 am

In 1841 Edmonton would have been in Middlesex. If you look at the image on Ancestry there is a page number at the bottom, if you change that to 1 and press enter you'll get to the front page of that registration district's entries, the top lines give info about County etc.

Most of what we now know as London was split between Middlesex, Surrey, Kent & Essex, only the very central part was actually London. It wasn't until 1889 that the County of London was created, wiki has an article on it.
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Re: "Not born in county" -? - London UK

Postby kr236rk » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:05 pm

SRD wrote:Most of what we now know as London was split between Middlesex, Surrey, Kent & Essex, only the very central part was actually London. It wasn't until 1889 that the County of London was created, wiki has an article on it.


Thanks SRD,

So the 'not born in county' is just telling me Thomas Powell was born outside of Middlesex please? Which means I can search contiguous counties for his details?
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Re: "Not born in county" -? - London UK

Postby SRD » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:10 am

You can, but it might not be so, he may have come from anywhere. Incidentally, where did you get his birth & death dates?
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Re: "Not born in county" -? - London UK

Postby kr236rk » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:13 pm

SRD wrote:You can, but it might not be so, he may have come from anywhere. Incidentally, where did you get his birth & death dates?


Thanks. Am hoping that this London family was native to London for a long time. Thomas' [also spelled 'Thos'] dates are a bit erratic.

Where did you get his birth & death dates?


London 1841 Census
Name: Thomas Powell
Age: 50
Born In: 1791
Profession: Horsekeeper

https://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/search ... rch=Search

[1841 Census]
1841: Flask Walk, St John Hampstead, Edmonton, Middlesex & London, England
Thomas Powell, 43, Labourer, Not born in County 1798 [otherwise "Ostler"]
Charlotte Powell, 38 1803 [nee Willoughby]
Elizabeth Powell, 19 1822
Sarah Powell, 17 1824
Henry Powell, 15 1826
Ann Powell, 12 1829
Mary Powell, 10 1831
Charlotte Powell, 7 1834
Emma Powell, 4 1837
Louisa Powell, 6mths 1841 [my great grandmother]

- - - - - - - -

Thomas Powell, dead (by 1865)

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Re: "Not born in county" -? - London UK

Postby SRD » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:29 am

I wonder if this is his burial:
England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991Text-only collection
Name: Thomas Powell
Gender: Male
Age: 45
Birth Date: 1796
Burial Date: 10 Nov 1841
Burial Place: Saint Luke, Middlesex, England
FHL Film Number: 585456
Reference ID: p 24 rn 191

The Hampstead church is St Luke.
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Re: "Not born in county" -? - London UK

Postby kr236rk » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:15 pm

SRD wrote:I wonder if this is his burial:
England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 Text-only collection
Name: Thomas Powell
Age: 45
Birth Date: 1796
Burial Date: 10 Nov 1841
Burial Place: Saint Luke, Middlesex, England


Thanks, I have saved that information.
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Re: "Not born in county" -? - London UK

Postby kr236rk » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:22 pm

Found this but it's not going to give Thomas' parents' names is it?

England, Pallot's Marriage Index, 1780-1837
MARRIAGE & DIVORCE
Name
Thos Powell
Spouse
Charlotte Willoughby
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Re: "Not born in county" -? - London UK

Postby kr236rk » Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:01 pm

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Re: "Not born in county" -? - London UK

Postby SRD » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:02 am

kr236rk wrote:Found this but it's not going to give Thomas' parents' names is it?

England, Pallot's Marriage Index, 1780-1837
MARRIAGE & DIVORCE
Name
Thos Powell
Spouse
Charlotte Willoughby

That's the info BC Wench found that she posted on the other thread.
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Re: "Not born in county" -? - London UK

Postby kr236rk » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:29 pm

Indeed, with thanks.

I must have stumbled upon the same source.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/categ ... ouse_x=1_1

But the information only gives the name for Charlotte's parents, not Thomas'.
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