POWELL families of North London?

[kr236rk]

Hi,

Am trying to map out a Powell surname which was associated with North London, Hampstead. It's a bit of a 'Poirot' because my paternal grandmother was a maiden Powell of Hampstead (or Dalston) yet moved to Bromley in Kent, and I wondered why Kent? I'm wondering if there was a family connection with Kent from previous generations. The trouble is, I am coasting towards the 1837 watershed, beyond which tracing surnames becomes more difficult.

Several ladies from this line were associated with the laundry trade, and several of the men-folk were associated with horses, ostlers and cab drivers for example, so I think there's some form of family tradition going on here - but it's vague, and I could be wrong.

The earliest I have is a Thomas Powell ['ostler'] b.1791, d.abt 1845 and his spouse Charlotte b.1801, d.abt 1871 who may have had the maiden name of (?) Marles.

On an 1851 Census: HO107, Piece 1492, Folio 114, Page 15, a Charlotte Powell (Head, widow) is listed as "washerwoman", so the laundry and horse ['ostler'] association is also there. Charlotte's age is 50 on the census so that ties in with her birth year. Thomas and Charlotte would be my paternal great gt gt grandparents.

Have uploaded a very tentative Powell family tree for this era, any help greatly appreciated!

Thanks

[BC Wench]

This is how I see it

Your Grandmother from GRO:
INNELL, LOUISA MARY Mother's Maiden Name: POWELL
GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 354

Your Gt Grandmother from GRO:
POWELL, LOUISA MARY - No Mother's Surname (dau of Louisa Powell b 1841)
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 484

Your Gt Grandparents:
Marriage: 25 March 1883 Christ Church, Hampstead, Middlesex
John Innell, 23, Bachelor, Barman, Hampstead, John Innell, Waiter
Louisa Mary Powell, 23, Spinster, Hampstead, George Hunt, Soldier
Wit: Charles Innell, Emily Clouser?

Your 2x Gt Grandmother from GRO:
POWELL, LOUISA Mother's Maiden Name: WILLOUGHBY
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03 Page 107

Baptism: 10 January 1841 St John, Hampstead, Middlesex (Louisa Mary's Mother)
Louisa - Thomas & Charlotte Powell - Hampstead - Ostler

Parents of Louisa born 1841
Name: Charlotte Willoughby
Spouse: Thos Powell
Spouse Comments: 61
Marriage Date: 1820
Parish: Hampstead

1841: Flask Walk, St John Hampstead, Edmonton, Middlesex & London, England
Thomas Powell, 43, Labourer, Not born in County 1798
Charlotte Powell, 38 1803
Elizabeth Powell, 19 1822
Sarah Powell, 17 1824
Henry Powell, 15 1826
Ann Powell, 12 1829
Mary Powell, 10 1831
Charlotte Powell, 7 1834
Emma Powell, 4 1837
Louisa Powell, 6mths 1841
(Others born in County)

1851: Flask Walk, St John Hampstead, Hampstead, London & Middlesex, England
Charlotte Powell, Head.Widow, 50, Washerwoman, Hampstead 1801
Henry Powell, Son.Unmarried, 22, Labourer, Hampstead 1829
Charlotte Powell, Daughter.Unmarried, 16, Servant, Hampstead 1835
Emma Powell, Daughter.Unmarried, 14, Hounslow, Middlesex 1837
Louisa Powell, Dau, 10, Hampstead, Middlesex 1841
Eliza Powell, Dau, 6, Hampstead, Middlesex 1845

1861: New End, Hampstead, Middlesex
Charlotte Powell, Head.Widow, 62, Washerwoman, Hampstead
Eliza Powell, Dau, 16, Washerwoman, Hampstead
Ann Wilson, Lodger.UM, 49, Milliner & Dressmaker, St Albans, Herts

Sister of your 2x Gt Grandmother:
Marriage: 9 July 1865 St Pancras Church, St Pancras, Middlesex
Samuel Burton, Full, Bachelor, Labourer, Haverstock Place, Henry Burton, Dead
Eliza Powell, Full, Spinster, Haverstock Place, Thomas Powell, Dead
Wit: Joseph Faulkner, Lucina Iliffe?

1871: 3 Beerhouse Lane, St John, Hampstead
Samuel Burton, Head.Mar, 30, Labourer in Ground Work, Hampstead
Eliza Burton, Wife, 26, Hampstead
Thomas H Burton, Son, 7, Scholar, Hampstead
Eliza Burton, Dau, 5, Scholar, Hampstead
Samuel Burton, Son, 3, Hampstead
Henry Burton, Son, 6mths, Hampstead
Charlotte Powell, Mother in law.Wid, 70, Formerly Laundress, Hampstead

Wife of Thomas Powell:
Baptism: 21 November 1817 St John, Hampstead, Middlesex
Charlotte (Born 3 Apr 1803) - William & Elizabeth Willoughby - Hampstead - Shoemaker

[kr236rk]

Many kind thanks, BC Wench!

Will revise the tree & update. The name WILLOUGHBY came up before (years ago) it has slipped out of my search Was the George HUNT a witness please?

[BC Wench]

The name George HUNT is written down in the register as Louisa Mary's father.

I have sent you a pm.

[kr236rk]

Tree updated after helpful comments by BC Wench

[kr236rk]

This is how I see it


1841: Flask Walk, St John Hampstead, Edmonton, Middlesex & London, England,
Thomas Powell, 43, Labourer, Not born in County 1798

Many thanks!

When it says "Not born in County" does this mean the county of London please, & if so, where did the county extend to in 1841, so that I could search neighbouring counties for Thomas Powell's birth details?

[kr236rk]

Can only gain a vague idea of the districts of London circa 1841 but the 'Metropolis of London' had the tiny City of London at its core and took in all the immediate districts around it. So it looks like Lambeth / Camberwell (part of Surrey in those days?) would fall 'out of county'?

I found several FMP references to a Thomas POWELL. But these are only census returns of course:-

Powell Thomas b.1796, from the 1841 Census, Camberwell, London & Surrey, England.

Powell Thomas b.1792, from the 1851 Census, Saint Giles Camberwell, Camberwell, London & Surrey, England.

Powell Thomas b.1794, from the 1851 Census, Saint Mary Newington, Newington, London & Surrey, England.

Powell Thomas b.1791, from the 1871 Census, St Mary Newington, St Saviour Southwark, London & Surrey, England.

[kr236rk]

Sorry,

Keep finding snippets of information tucked away

I have a note saying a George BENWELL married Louisa POWELL (b.1841), in 1861.

Also, Charlotte Willoughby's parents - William Willoughby married an Elizabeth, [c1800?] but nothing more.

[BC Wench]

Your Gt Grandmother from GRO: (She is the illegitimate daughter of Louisa Powell born 1841)
POWELL, LOUISA MARY - No Mother's Surname
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 484

In the 1861 Census Louisa Mary (1859) and her mother Louisa Powell (1841) are living with Louisa's married sister Mary Elizabeth Toomes nee Powell

1861 Census: Stables in Rear of the Duke of Hamilton, Hampstead, Middlesex
John Toomes, Head.Mar, 39, Horsekeeper, St Georges in the (?), Middlesex
Mary Elizabeth Toomes, Wife, 26, Laundress, Southall, Middlesex 1835
Louisa Powell, Sister in Law.UM, 19, Laundress, Hampstead, Middlesex 1842
Louisa Mary Powell, Niece, 1, Hampstead, Middlesex 1860

Marriage: 26 November 1862 St Pancras Church, St Pancras, Middlesex
John Edward Toomes, Full, Bachelor, Coachman, Park St., Father: John Edward Toomes, Dead
Mary Elizabeth Powell, Full, Spinster, Park St., Father: Thomas Powell, Dead
Wit: Robert Stone, M Bucter...ge (Unable to decipher surname)

Louisa Powell (1841) then marries George Benwell

Marriage: 8 April 1861 St Pancras Church, St Pancras, Middlesex
George Benwell, Full, Bachelor, Labourer, James St, Father: John Benwell, Dead
Louisa Powell, Full, Spinster, James St, Father: Thomas Powell, Dead
Wit: John Edward Toomes X (his mark), Mary Elizabeth Toomes

In the 1871 Census Louisa Mary (1860) is living with her Aunt Mary E Toomes nee Powell & Uncle John Innell

1871 Census: Stables at back of Duke of Hamilton, Hampstead St John, London
John E Toomes, Head.Mar, 53, Coachman, Whitechapel, Middx
Mary E Toomes, Wife, 38, Laundress, Southall, Middx
Louisa M Toomes, Niece, 11, Scholar, Hampstead (Illegitimate dau of Louisa Mary Powell) 1860

Louisa Mary Powell (1860) then goes on to marry John Innell and gives her father as George Hunt

Marriage: 25 March 1883 Christ Church, Hampstead, Middlesex
John Innell, 23, Bachelor, Barman, Hampstead, Father: John Innell, Waiter
Louisa Mary Powell, 23, Spinster, Hampstead, Father: George Hunt, Soldier 1860
Wit: Charles Innell, Emily Clouser?

[BC Wench]

1881 Census: 6 Grove Place, Hampstead, London & Middlesex
John Toomes, Head.Mar, 61, Coachman, Hampstead, Middlesex 1820
Mary Toomes, Wife, 47, Laundress, Southall, Middlesex 1834
Louisa Bomvell/Benwell, Niece.Single, 20, Domestic Servant, Hampstead, Middlesex 1861 (Surname indexed as Bomvell but looks like Benwell)

[kr236rk]

That's great - thanks BC Wench!

This clears up the complicated surnames of my paternal grandmother. Again, I'm seeing this pattern of laundry work & work with horses.

Louisa Mary (nee Powell / dau of George Hunt + Louisa Powell) moved to Kent, I wonder if censuses will throw any light on the reason why - that's quite a relocation from Hampstead, North London? Her father was a soldier & she married one, possibly the reason for the change of location, I think he was a 'man of Kent' - ?

[SRD]

Man of Kent - born East of the Medway
Kentish Man - born West of the Medway
I'm only 'ish being born near Dartford in NW Kent.

It might be worth checking to see if your paternal grandfather's employer moved to Bromley as that might explain your grandmother's move.
I know there's quite a bit of antipathy between those who are born on different sides of the Thames but it isn't that far to move, either for employment or because a spouse (or future spouse) lives on the 'wrong' side of the river.

[kr236rk]

Man of Kent - born East of the Medway
Kentish Man - born West of the Medway
I'm only 'ish being born near Dartford in NW Kent.

It might be worth checking to see if your paternal grandfather's employer moved to Bromley as that might explain your grandmother's move.
I know there's quite a bit of antipathy between those who are born on different sides of the Thames but it isn't that far to move, either for employment or because a spouse (or future spouse) lives on the 'wrong' side of the river.

Many thanks SRD,

My father was born just before 1920 in Kent so I guess I should start looking at the census returns here, they might give some clue as to what was happening in terms of occupations?

The Old Kent Road was something of a highway to Kent from London, reminding me of the 'holiday hop-picking' that Londoners used to engage in?

[SRD]

The 1939 Register might give your father's and grand-parents place of abode, date of birth & occupation although, being 19, he may already have joined up by then. If he lived in what is now the Greater London area he may also appear in the electoral roll/voters lists for the post war era.

[BC Wench]

INNELL, LOUISA MARY POWELL
GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 354

Baptism: 25 November 1883 Christ Church, Hampstead
Louisa Mary - John & Louisa Mary Innell - Balls Pond - Waiter

1891 Census: 6 Bishops Grove, Highbury, Islington, London (Imell on image)
John Imell, Head.Mar, 30, Post Man GPO, City Rd, London
Louisa Imell, Wife, 30, Hampstead
Ethel Imell, Dau, 9, Scholar, Hampstead
Louisa Imell, Dau, 6, Scholar, Islington
John Imell, Son, 1, Dalston
Alice Imell, Dau, 7wks, Dalston

1901 Census: Gardnor Road, Hampstead, London
John Innell, Head.Mar, 40, General Labourer, London
Louisa Innell, Wife, 42, Hampstead
John Innell, Son, 12, Dalston
Alice Innell, Dau, 10, Dalston
Winnifred Innell, Dau, 2, Hampstead

WHERE IS LOUISA MARY (1883) IN 1901 CENSUS???? Sorry, but I can't find her.

1911 Census: 33 Park Dwellings, Hampstead, London N.W.
John Innell, Head.Mar, 50, Cleaner at Town Hall/Boro' Council, City Rd., London
Louisa Mary Innell, Wife, 51, Hampstead, London Married: 30yrs 6 Children 5 Living 1 Died
John Edward Innell, Son.Single, 22, Engine Cleaner/Gt Northern Railway, Dalston, London
Louisa Mary Innell Kemp, Dau.Married, 27, Islington, London Married: Under one year (the surname INNELL is crossed through)
Winifred Sarah Innell, Dau, 12, Hampstead

Marriage: Mar Qtr 1911 Bromley Reg. Dist. 2a 713
Louisa INNELL & Arthur KEMP

1911 Census: 35 Bromley Gardens, Bromley, Kent
Arthur Kemp, Head.Married, 41, Carpet planner, Hammersmith
Louisa Mary Kemp, Wife, 28, Dalston Married: One yr No Children
George Thomas Kemp, Son.Single, 15, Errand Boy (Drapery), Beckenham
Katheline Goldsmith, Border.Wid, 59, Dress Maker, Tonbridge Wells

1939 National Register: 50 Plaistow Lane, Bromley, Kent
Arthur Kemp, 14 April 1867, Married, Upholsters Fixer?
Louisa Mary Kemp, 22 Sept 1883, Married, Unpaid Domestic Duties
Reginald Kemp, 28 Dec 1917, Single, Electrician & Meter Tester
Jack A Kemp, 16 Feb 1912, Single, Technical Assistant to Chartered Patent Agent?
Sylvia P Mockridge, 17 Nov 1911, Married, Unpaid Domestic Duties
1 record closed

John Innell dies then Louisa Mary (1860) marries John Pensotti Dec Qtr 1915 Wandsworth Reg. Dist.

1939 Register: 11 Kersley Street, Battersea, London
John Pensotti, 6 Dec 1860, Widow, Retired
Ethel Innell, 3 July 1881, Single, Domestic Help (she is the step daughter of John Pensotti)

Ethel (Adelaide) Innell is the daughter of Louisa Mary (1860) & John Innell.