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Hi

Does anyone have any ideas or could offer any help with a brick wall I have please?

My 3x great grandfather was William James Morgan. He was born 08/07/1846 in Sandford St Martin’s, Oxfordshire. His parents were William and Ann Morgan (nee Servis / Jarvis). The GRO says Servis but I read the birth certificate as Jarvis.

He was baptised in Sandford on 06/09/1846 and then the three of them disappear until William James appears as a booking porter at Lye railway station in October 1868.

We can’t find any trace of William senior, Ann or William James after his baptism.
We can’t find any trace of a William Morgan and Ann (irrespective of Servis or Jarvis surname) marrying.
We can’t find them in Sandford in the 1851- I’ve gone through all Morgan’s in Sandford.

If anyone could help us break this brick wall, we would be very grateful!

Thanks in advance

What was his fathers occupation?
Jo

Just seen, he was a labourer...

The closest I can see is this,

1851. Aston Cantlow, Warwickshire.
Thomas Sanders 23.
Catherine Sanders 28.
William Morgan 28. Brother in law. Ag lab. Yarnton, Oxfordshire.
Ann Morgan 26. Sister in law. Haselor, Warwickshire.
Ellen Morgan 7. Benton, Warwickshire.
James Morgan 4. Standford, Oxfordshire.
Mary Morgan 2. Shelfield Aston, Warwickshire.

There isn't a birth reg for a James Morgan at that time,

1861.
James Morgan, servant.
Age:
14
Estimated Birth Year:
1847
Relation:
Servant
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Sandford, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish:
Aston
Ecclesiastical parish:
St Andrew
County/Island:
Warwickshire
Country:
England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district:
Aston
Sub-registration district:
Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel:
26
Neighbors:
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Household schedule number:
39
Piece:
2174
Folio:
8
Page Number:
10

I take it you have this,

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1870.
MORGAN William J. TOON Mary J. Dudley, St Edmund. Dudley Register Office. 201/005/89.

1871. Birmingham.
William J Morgan 24. Railway signalman. Samford, Oxfordshire.
Mary Jane Morgan 25. Comeford, Staffordshire.
John Toon 3. nephew. Feotherluf, Staffordshire.

Oh brilliant - thank you so much !

Yes we have his marriage - from 1868 when he is in Lye, we are sorted. It was just that gap we couldn't find our way through

He was my 3x great grandfather (and Mary Jane Toon my 3x great grand mother )

Jimmy wrote:The closest I can see is this,

1851. Aston Cantlow, Warwickshire.
Thomas Sanders 23.
Catherine Sanders 28.
William Morgan 28. Brother in law. Ag lab. Yarnton, Oxfordshire.
Ann Morgan 26. Sister in law. Haselor, Warwickshire.
Ellen Morgan 7. Benton, Warwickshire.
James Morgan 4. Standford, Oxfordshire.
Mary Morgan 2. Shelfield Aston, Warwickshire.

There isn't any births for Ellen and Mary with Jarvis as maiden name.

I've found a direct descendant of Ellen on Ancestry so fingers crossed they can fill in some gaps too

thank you again

(We think Jarvis may be Lewis now - blast that elaborate handwriting!)

I wondered about the Lewis possibility.

Thank you again - I think we have cracked this and you were right re these census’

Looks like Ann’s surname was Jones. Born 1825 in Haselor. Had a sister called Catharine born 1823 so that fits the 1851 census.

Ann ultimately ends up in Great Alne from 1871 census onwards which is where William James’ daughter Alice was baptised despite living in Dudley and again there his name is James. So for some reason she was baptised where her grandmother lived

Our family have a strong track record of using their middle name so I think he did, and which explains why he uses his full name on things (inc a letter to the paperwork complaining of cruelty by the school headteacher to my 2x great grandmother)

By way of final update, we have now found some DNA matches with people who have other members of the Jones family in their tree. So Ann Servis / Jarvis was almost certainly Ann Jones from Haselor.

Thank you again!