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Adoption and killed in action

Postby Melon1 » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:28 pm

Hello
Can anyone help, I am new to this and have spent quite a while finding out not very much and generally going around in a giant circle!

I am trying to research my mothers past, she was adopted in January 1943 aged 1 month 3 weeks and 4 days old. She was born in Great Witchingham, Norfolk. Her biological mothers name was Joyce Mary Appleton and her biological fathers name was Joseph Fleming. They never married. Joseph was in one of two RAF squadrons and was presumed killed in action but I don't know how to distinguish which man he was and I cannot find any information on Joyce at all and as for making the connection between the two people, that is another mystery!


Could anyone give me any advice on what to do.

Many Thanks
Helen.
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Re: Adoption and killed in action

Postby Northern Lass » Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:57 pm

Do you have the actual birth certif of your mother?
as there is one on free bmd but don't want to post on here if your mother still alive.

:?
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Re: Adoption and killed in action

Postby peterd » Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:00 pm

two poss if killed in action ?

FLEMING, JOSEPH

Rank:Flight Sergeant
Service No:936192
Date of Death:09/06/1942
Age:22
Regiment/Service:Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 405 Sqdn.
Panel ReferencePanel 74.
MemorialRUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL

Additional Information:

Son of John and Catherine Fleming, of Hanley, Staffordshire.


and

FLEMING, JOSEPH CHARLES FREDERICK

Rank:Sergeant
Trade:Air Gnr.
Service No:1891783
Date of Death:12/11/1943
Regiment/Service:Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 158 Sqdn.
Grave Reference Row C. Joint grave 23-24.Cemetery PONT-AUDEMER COMMUNAL CEMETERY

Additional Information:


this is all guess work as little to go on ?
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Re: Adoption and killed in action

Postby peterd » Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:02 pm

Northern Lass wrote:Do you have the actual birth certif of your mother?
as there is one on free bmd but don't want to post on here if your mother still alive.

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from intro

Melon1 wrote:I am a complete novice at this, I am trying to research my mothers past she was adopted in 1943, I have her adoption certificate with both parents names, I also now have her original birth certificate. I have attempted to find both biological parent. I know her father was in one of two RAF squadrons and was killed in action but I don't know how to distinguish which man he was and as for her mother I am absolutely stumped! Could anyone offer some advice please. Many Thanks in advance. :grin:
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Re: Adoption and killed in action

Postby peterd » Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:07 pm

this site might give you some info on where the squadron was sationed in ww2 for both guys as they are sgt ?

http://www.unithistories.com/officers/R ... s_F01.html
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Re: Adoption and killed in action

Postby Northern Lass » Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:08 pm

Northern Lass wrote:Do you have the actual birth certif of your mother?
as there is one on free bmd but don't want to post on here if your mother still alive.

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Can you confirm her name? cos the one on free bmd has 2 names on it.
Birch/Appleton for surname
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Re: Adoption and killed in action

Postby peterd » Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:14 pm

wonder if we could track this marriage down ?

Son of John and Catherine Fleming, of Hanley, Staffordshire.
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Re: Adoption and killed in action

Postby Melon1 » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:55 pm

Many thanks for all the help.
The two men you have identified are the same two that I came up with but I don't know how to distinguish the correct man? My mother is still alive and I do have her birth cert as I applied for it but I'm not sure how to use the information to further my search.
Thanks for peoples time and efforts.
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Re: Adoption and killed in action

Postby Melon1 » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:57 pm

My mothers name at birth was Ruth Appleton however it was changed at adoption. The address on the birth certificate is 2 The Council Houses, Great Witchingham, Norfolk.
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Re: Adoption and killed in action

Postby peterd » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:25 pm

what as it against joseph flemings name just raf ?

wonder if your mother was baptised at the local church ?

2 The Council Houses, Great Witchingham, Norfolk. is this a place for unmarried mother to have there children ?
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Re: Adoption and killed in action

Postby grangers14 » Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:23 pm

Theres this... ??? I didnt see the birth reg for your Mum?

From freebmd
Birth
Name: Mary Joyce Appleton
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1908
Registration District: Aylsham
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 87

Death
Name: Joyce Mary Appleton
Birth Date: 17 Oct 1908
Date of Registration: Jun 1991
Age at Death: 82
Registration District: Poole
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 23
Page: 819

Dorset Deaths and Buriels
Joyce Mary Appleton 43 Keighly Ave, Broadstone, 1st July 1991, 82


1911. The Street, Coltishall, Norwich, Norfolk
William Appleton 31, head, Chauffeur,Tunstead
Nellie Appleton, wife, 37, married 4 years 3 children all living
George Appleton, son, 3,
Mary Joyce Appleton, daur. 2
Margaret Sarah Appleton, daur 9 months
All others born Coltishall
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Re: Adoption and killed in action

Postby Melon1 » Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:45 pm

There is nothing against Joseph Fleming except presumed killed in action. I am looking in to the address and I think I have located it. I will have to look at the local church for information.
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Re: Adoption and killed in action

Postby Northern Lass » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:27 am

Jo Birth is on free bmd 1942 dec qtr
mothers maiden name Appleton
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Re: Adoption and killed in action

Postby grangers14 » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:41 am

Northern Lass wrote:Jo Birth is on free bmd 1942 dec qtr
mothers maiden name Appleton


:roll: must be going blind!!
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Re: Adoption and killed in action

Postby peterd » Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:18 am

This looks like joseph charles frederick


Births Jun 1924

Fleming Joseph C F Errington Lambeth 1d 475




poss parent marriage

Marriages Sep 1921

Errington Margaret Fleming Lambeth 1d 821
Fleming Patrick Errington Lambeth 1d 821


poss sibling


Births Dec 1922
Fleming Kevan P Errington Lambeth 1d 594 (wonder if its kevin ?)
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