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Letitia Harris Powell

Postby yerffej » Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:27 am

Hi
After recently coming into contact with my mother's cousin in Liverpool she has been able to confirm that the Letitia Powell I was looking for (her grandmother and my great grandmother) is Letitia Harris Powell born in 1890 in Kirkdale, Lancs.
There was some confusion as there appeared to be two Letitia Harris born the same year, the other born in Kirkham
My mother's cousin has confirmed that the following information is correct for Letita:

Birth:
Births Sep 1890.
Powell Letitia Harris. W. Derby. 8b. 354.

POWELL Letitia H, 1890 Kirkdale. Lancashire. Liverpool. KIRK/70/35.

1901 Census:
3, Miranda Road, Bootle, Lancashire
JONES, Letitia Head Married F 60 1841
Carnavan
Carnarvonshire
JONES, William Son Single M 24 1877 Tailor
Deaf & Dumb From Childhood Carnavan
Carnarvonshire
POWELL, Letitia Grand Daughter Single F 11 1890
Bootle
Lancashire

Marriage:
Marriages Jun 1912
Heighway William W Powell W.Derby 8b 871
Powell Letitia H Heighway W.Derby 8b 871

She appears to be living with her grandmother in 1901.

My mum's cousin said that Letitia's parents were Ann Jones and William Powell.

Can anyone help me find Letitia in the other censuses please?
Thankyou
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Re: Letitia Harris Powell

Postby Jimmy » Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:03 am

What was Williams occupation.
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Re: Letitia Harris Powell

Postby yerffej » Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:35 pm

I have no idea Jimmy but have asked her and waiting for a reply....
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Re: Letitia Harris Powell

Postby yerffej » Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:56 am

Hi I have the information you asked for. She said:

William Powell is on my Grandmothers birth certificate as a "Baker Journeyman", he is also, named as a Baker on my Grandparents marriage certificate.

My Grandmother (Letitia Harris) was born on 26 May 1890 the address is 6 North Dingle U.S.D. I have the certificate.

Hope this helps! Thanks
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Re: Letitia Harris Powell

Postby Jimmy » Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:22 am

yerffej wrote:POWELL Letitia H, 1890 Kirkdale. Lancashire. Liverpool. KIRK/70/35.

1901 Census:
3, Miranda Road, Bootle, Lancashire
JONES, Letitia Head Married F 60 1841
Carnavan
Carnarvonshire

JONES, William Son Single M 24 1877 Tailor
Deaf & Dumb From Childhood Carnavan
Carnarvonshire

POWELL, Letitia Grand Daughter Single F 11 1890
Bootle
Lancashire.


There is this Annie, but no William or Letitia. which is a coincidence with the 1901 census.

1891. 116 Lamb St, Kirkdale.
Thos Maran 34.
Mary Maran 38.
Matthew Maran 5.
Thomas Maran 4.
John Maran 1.
Joseph Harvey 27.
Letitia Griffitts 45. Mar. Caernarvon, Wales.
Annie Powell 21. Mar. Caernarvon, Wales.

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Re: Letitia Harris Powell

Postby Jimmy » Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:24 am

The only William who is a baker is this one,

1891. 128 Butler Street, Manchester.
William Powell 48. Baker. Stockport, Cheshire.
Ann Powell 46. Newton; Mancester.
Kate Mullen 19. Serv.
Thomas Heaton 27. Visitor.
Sarah Jane Bell 40. Visitor.
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Re: Letitia Harris Powell

Postby Jimmy » Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:47 am

Marriages Mar 1894.
Griffiths Letitia. Liverpool. 8b. 245.
JONES Mary. Liverpool. 8b. 245.
JONES Mary. Liverpool. 8b. 245.
Jones William. Liverpool. 8b 245.
SIMPSON James. Liverpool. 8b. 245.
SINGLETON Henry. Liverpool. 8b. 245.

GRIFFITHS Letitia. JONES William.

1894. Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar. Attended. Lancashire. Liverpool. REG_LP/219/46.

From,
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Re: Letitia Harris Powell

Postby Jimmy » Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:41 am

1901. 41 Spring Grove, Bootle.
William Powell 32. Road sweeper, corporation.
Anne Powell 29. Wales N.K.
Mary Powell 8.
William O Powell 4.
Anne Powell 1.

Others born Liverpool.
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Re: Letitia Harris Powell

Postby grangers14 » Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:15 pm

yerffej wrote:Hi I have the information you asked for. She said:

William Powell is on my Grandmothers birth certificate as a "Baker Journeyman", he is also, named as a Baker on my Grandparents marriage certificate.

My Grandmother (Letitia Harris) was born on 26 May 1890 the address is 6 North Dingle U.S.D. I have the certificate.

Hope this helps! Thanks


Where abouts is this address?
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Re: Letitia Harris Powell

Postby gardener » Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:09 pm

So (trying to make some sense of this), it goes like this maybe?

1889 possible marriage:
Dec 1889
CLARKIN Michael W. Derby 8b 960
Deegan Annie West Derby 8b 960
Jones Ann West Derby 8b 960
Powell William W.Derby 8b 960

JONES Ann POWELL William West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/123/114

1890 birth:
Births Sep 1890.
Powell Letitia Harris. W. Derby. 8b. 354.

1891 census:
116 Lamb St, Kirkdale.
Thos Maran 34.
Mary Maran 38.
Matthew Maran 5.
Thomas Maran 4.
John Maran 1.
Joseph Harvey 27.
Letitia Griffitts 45. Mar. Caernarvon, Wales.
Annie Powell 21. Mar. Caernarvon, Wales.

1894 marriage GRIFFITHS Letitia. JONES William.

Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar. Attended. Lancashire. Liverpool. REG_LP/219/46.


1901 Census:
3, Miranda Road, Bootle, Lancashire
JONES, Letitia Head Married F 60 1841 CarnavanCarnarvonshire
JONES, William Son Single M 24 1877 Tailor Deaf & Dumb From Childhood CarnavanCarnarvonshire
POWELL, Letitia Grand Daughter Single F 11 1890 Bootle Lancashire


Questions:

1. What are the relationships in the 1891 census?
2. Where are William Jones jnr in 1891?
3. ditto Leitita Powell in 1891?

I suppose William Jones snr might be listed as a baker in 1881. Daughter Ann Jones might be with him. Perhaps son WIlliam too, although he could be Letitia's son perhaps?
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Re: Letitia Harris Powell

Postby grangers14 » Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:35 pm

The U.S.D confuses me on the address?
I will see for more info on them census.
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Re: Letitia Harris Powell

Postby grangers14 » Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:46 pm

gardener wrote:So (trying to make some sense of this), it goes like this maybe?

1889 possible marriage:
Dec 1889
CLARKIN Michael W. Derby 8b 960
Deegan Annie West Derby 8b 960
Jones Ann West Derby 8b 960
Powell William W.Derby 8b 960

JONES Ann POWELL William West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/123/114

1890 birth:
Births Sep 1890.
Powell Letitia Harris. W. Derby. 8b. 354.

1891 census:
116 Lamb St, Kirkdale.
Thos Maran 34.
Mary Maran 38.
Matthew Maran 5.
Thomas Maran 4.
John Maran 1.
Joseph Harvey 27.
Letitia Griffitts 45. Mar. Caernarvon, Wales. (boarder)
Annie Powell 21. Mar. Caernarvon, Wales. (boarder)
1894 marriage GRIFFITHS Letitia. JONES William.

Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar. Attended. Lancashire. Liverpool. REG_LP/219/46.


1901 Census:
3, Miranda Road, Bootle, Lancashire
JONES, Letitia Head Married F 60 1841 CarnavanCarnarvonshire
JONES, William Son Single M 24 1877 Tailor Deaf & Dumb From Childhood CarnavanCarnarvonshire
POWELL, Letitia Grand Daughter Single F 11 1890 Bootle Lancashire


Questions:

1. What are the relationships in the 1891 census?
2. Where are William Jones jnr in 1891?
3. ditto Leitita Powell in 1891?

I suppose William Jones snr might be listed as a baker in 1881. Daughter Ann Jones might be with him. Perhaps son WIlliam too, although he could be Letitia's son perhaps?
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Re: Letitia Harris Powell

Postby yerffej » Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:34 pm

I have asked my mum's cousin to have a look at your replies and see if she can make sense of any of it Thanks for your help Hopefully she can shed some light as I really dont have a clue :?
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Re: Letitia Harris Powell

Postby yerffej » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:04 am

Here is the information she told me:

The confusion is being caused by the fact there were lots of Welsh people in Liverpool at that time, and all the names were similar.

It was William Powell , Letitia Harris' father who was a baker.

William Jones was her uncle I don't know what he did, it appears that both of these men were deaf and dumb, so was her mother - Ann.

On Letitia Harris' maternal side we have her Granny Letitia Jones she was married to a sailor, I don't know his first name but what's the betting it was William?. We also have her mother Ann.

Then we have her father's side. William Powell a baker, we don't have anymore information on him. I suppose they may have met each other through being deaf and dumb, perhaps at a school, or, club.

Since Letitia Harris was born in 1890, Ann and William Powell would be together in 1901, they had other children and according to my mother Letitia H wasn't the eldest or, youngest, some of the names I remember are, Kitty, Mary, Louise, William, Owen, there may have been an Ann, I think it was 7 in all.

U.S.D is probably a city area code i.e. U???? South District, the Dingle is in the south of the city.

That's all I can think of at the moment, I am looking for my A-Z to see were some of these addresses are situated.

Hope this clears some of the confusion.
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Re: Letitia Harris Powell

Postby grangers14 » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:55 am

So this is mother Ann?
1881. 12 North P? Llanebig Caernarvonshire
Lettise Jones, Head, mariner wife
Owen, son, 15, railway lab,
Ann Catherine, daur, 12, deaf and dumb
William, son, 7, deaf and dumb
John Mcguire, lodger, 19, painter, Preston, Lancashire
Evan Thomas, lodger, 20, coalm miner, ? Denbigshire
all others born Carnarvon
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