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John BEECH/ Alberta Annie CLISSOLD

Postby sage1957 » Tue May 14, 2013 7:48 am

Hi folks and good evening.

Just wondered if any of you good members had a connection with this family please?

John BEECH born 1899 and Alberta Annie CLISSOLD born 1897.

Not too much information relating to John as yet, but Alberta was the daughter of Charles CLISSOLD 1871/1953 and Alberta Elizabeth MORGAN 1872/1917
born in Birmingham as were her parents.

John Beech & Alberta Annie Clissold. married in the Register Office Walsall on the 30th December 1922.

John Beech aged 23 (1899) a bachelor factory boiler stoker living at 33 queen Street, Walsall, father William Beech a metal worker.

Alberta Annie Clissold aged 26 spinster a football stitcher living at 110 Farringdon Strret, Walsall father Charles Clissold a coach bead maker.

Witnesses: Joseph Henry Clissold (brides brother) and Ada M Hodson, Alberta Annies father Charles married a Gertrude Hodson (WW1 war widow) 1921 again in Walsall when his wife Alberta Elizabeth died in Walsall in 1917.

The couple had 5 girls, all born Walsall. Alberta 1923, Hazel 1925, Jean 1926, Jacqueline 1929' Molly 1930

Alberta, Hazel, Jean & Molly passed away in the March Quarter 1931, all again in Walsall, Sadly Jacqueline passed away in 1962 aged just 33 and single.

Not sure when John passed away (1968?) but it seems Annie Albert remarried at the age of 74 in the December Quarter 1971 again in Walsall to a Edward John BUTLER (1900/1987)

Just wondered if anyone had a connection or knew of John, Alberta or Edward John Butler, or indeed the story of the very sad demise at a very early age the children of the couple.

Kind regards.

Ray
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Re: John BEECH/ Alberta Annie CLISSOLD

Postby Northern Lass » Tue May 14, 2013 7:49 am

Hi Ray going to move this to General Discussion as B'ham and Walsall outside Black Country really

can anyone help Ray pls :grin:
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Re: John BEECH/ Alberta Annie CLISSOLD

Postby sage1957 » Tue May 14, 2013 8:23 am

Thank you, but as a born and raised Birmingham lad married to a Black Country girl I had always considered Walsall to be part of the BC :grin:

But thank you for the move :grin:
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Re: John BEECH/ Alberta Annie CLISSOLD

Postby Northern Lass » Tue May 14, 2013 8:42 am

sage1957 wrote:Thank you, but as a born and raised Birmingham lad married to a Black Country girl I had always considered Walsall to be part of the BC :grin:

But thank you for the move :grin:


and me to be honest so if you see any on the Black Country Connections site that link to you let us know
our boundary on Bcc is abit of a rubber boundary ............so yes we put Walsall in on there.
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Re: John BEECH/ Alberta Annie CLISSOLD

Postby Northern Lass » Tue May 14, 2013 10:55 am

sage1957 wrote:Hi folks and good evening.

Just wondered if any of you good members had a connection with this family please?

John BEECH born 1899 and Alberta Annie CLISSOLD born 1897.

Not too much information relating to John as yet, but Alberta was the daughter of Charles CLISSOLD 1871/1953 and Alberta Elizabeth MORGAN 1872/1917
born in Birmingham as were her parents.

John Beech & Alberta Annie Clissold. married in the Register Office Walsall on the 30th December 1922.

John Beech aged 23 (1899) a bachelor factory boiler stoker living at 33 queen Street, Walsall, father William Beech a metal worker.

Alberta Annie Clissold aged 26 spinster a football stitcher living at 110 Farringdon Strret, Walsall father Charles Clissold a coach bead maker.

Witnesses: Joseph Henry Clissold (brides brother) and Ada M Hodson, Alberta Annies father Charles married a Gertrude Hodson (WW1 war widow) 1921 again in Walsall when his wife Alberta Elizabeth died in Walsall in 1917.

The couple had 5 girls, all born Walsall. Alberta 1923, Hazel 1925, Jean 1926, Jacqueline 1929' Molly 1930

Alberta, Hazel, Jean & Molly passed away in the March Quarter 1931, all again in Walsall, Sadly Jacqueline passed away in 1962 aged just 33 and single.

Not sure when John passed away (1968?) but it seems Annie Albert remarried at the age of 74 in the December Quarter 1971 again in Walsall to a Edward John BUTLER (1900/1987)

Just wondered if anyone had a connection or knew of John, Alberta or Edward John Butler, or indeed the story of the very sad demise at a very early age the children of the couple.

Kind regards.

Ray


So what do we want info on then Ray JOhn Beech and his father William Beech?

Can we help Ray pls guys :grin:
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Re: John BEECH/ Alberta Annie CLISSOLD

Postby sage1957 » Tue May 14, 2013 3:08 pm

Thank you Northern Lass.

I am okay for information relating Alberta Annie (Annie Alberta), well up until her marriage to John BEECH.

I can see nothing in the 1901/1911 census relating to John BEECH being connected to a William BEECH.

It was just a general enquiry to see if any forum member had a connection to John or his father William,
or even maybe Annie Alberta's second husband Edward John Butler.

As an aside do any members know of ant infectious disease outbreaks that would account for four children's demise in early 1931.

Any help appreciated,

Thank you.
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Re: John BEECH/ Alberta Annie CLISSOLD

Postby Northern Lass » Wed May 15, 2013 8:16 am

Was John Beech born in Walsall?

poss on free bmd

Births Jun 1898
Beech John Walsall 6b 724

Births Sep 1898
Beech John Walsall 6b 736

poss death on ancestry
Name: John Beech
Birth Date: abt 1901
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1968
Age at Death: 67
Registration district: Walsall
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 695
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Re: John BEECH/ Alberta Annie CLISSOLD

Postby grangers14 » Fri May 17, 2013 8:10 am

1901. 9 Navigation Street, Walsall
William Beach, head, 31, metal worker
Catherine, 28,
William, son, 4,
George, son, 3,
John, son, 1
George Leake, Boarder, 26, Silver Plater
All born Walsall
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Re: John BEECH/ Alberta Annie CLISSOLD

Postby grangers14 » Fri May 17, 2013 8:58 am

1911. 9 Navigation Street, Walsall
William Beech, head, 44, Metal Worker
Kate, wife, 39, married 15 years 4 children all living
William, son, 15, Errand Boy ?
George, son, 14,
John, son, 13,
Edward, son, 11,
All born Staffordshire
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Re: John BEECH/ Alberta Annie CLISSOLD

Postby grangers14 » Fri May 17, 2013 9:03 am

Freebmd
Marriages Dec 1895 (>99%)
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Beech William Walsall
6b 1290

Killgallon Catherine Walsall
6b 1290


Newey George Walsall
6b 1290

Pinches Sarah Walsall
6b 1290
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Re: John BEECH/ Alberta Annie CLISSOLD

Postby sage1957 » Tue May 21, 2013 4:00 pm

Thank you Northern Lass and Grangers 14, greatly appreciated I can assure you, apologies for tardy response, read replies yesterday, but today is the first chance I have had to sit down evaluate your information and say thank you to everyone who has helped with my enquiry.

The match with John Beech and his father William and his occupation matches the marriage certificate I have, the problem I had was I was trying to hard to match a John Beech I have already in my tree (with connections to the Clissold family) with Alberta Annie, and I ended up not being able see the wood for the trees.

I needed a fresh perspective and and another pair of eyes I guess, thank you kindly both for providing that, I cannot thank you enough.

Hopefully when funds allow I will invest in a death certificate to see if I can find out what the four girls succumbed to.

Many thank once again, Ray
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Re: John BEECH/ Alberta Annie CLISSOLD

Postby grangers14 » Tue May 21, 2013 5:16 pm

Glad it helped you.
Sometimes another pair of eyes helps. :grin:
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Re: John BEECH/ Alberta Annie CLISSOLD

Postby booboo967 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:35 pm

hi ray
did you find out the reason for the death of all the children in the same year?
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