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Re: John Smith

Postby SteveTurner » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:10 pm

I'm trying to find William, John's father, and have been struggling using the free resources. This isn't a plea for help yet but...

Anyway I found familysearch.org today and searched the 1881 census for William Smith born in 1876 or 1877 in Woodville as per the census info Snoopysue found. The site came back with just two matches, one with a William aged 5 and the other aged 4. How confident can I be that the one with William aged 4 is correct?

When I put the parents given me into my App I get the 1881 census and the 1901 census. The latter agrees apart from more children, but although there's children aged 24 (William) and 19 at that address, Henry who would be 16 isn't there but in the 1911 census he's moved from Warwickshie to Ilkeston with his brother. I suppose the 1891 census would help :lol:
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Re: John Smith

Postby SteveTurner » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:51 am

I can't have the correct censuses. The 1901 one has William as single living with his parents in Elvaston, Derbyshire but my William had already had two sons born in Tamworth
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Re: John Smith

Postby sparkstopper » Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:58 pm

1901 Census: 2 Gas Lane, Tamworth.
William SMITH hd.24 Coal Miner Hewer b.Woodville,Leics.
Lydia SMITH wife 23 b.Polesworth.
William H.SMITH son 2 b.Tamworth.
Sydney SMITH son 2 mths. b.Tamworth.
Henry SMITH boarder 18 Lab. Pipe Yard. b.Tamworth.
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Re: John Smith

Postby sparkstopper » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:29 pm

Antie Em wrote:Found this on FreeBMD : http://freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

William Henry Smith and Lydia Allsopp - married Dec Qtr 1898, Tamworth District


With the name William Smith: you need to get the Marr:cert.
for Father & fathers Occupation to get back further.
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Re: John Smith

Postby SteveTurner » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:48 pm

Thanks sparkstopper. I presume I have to pay for the marriage certificate.
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Re: John Smith

Postby sparkstopper » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:33 pm

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Re: John Smith

Postby SteveTurner » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:23 am

I know it's a long time ago when I started this but in talking to an uncle I started going back over what I'd found and noticed Ancestry had come up with more hints.

One is a Wliiam Henry Smith baptised in Woodville in 1879, father Robert and mother Annie. However I think this is a nasty coincidence.

This is because Family Search had a marriage in Tamworth of William Henry Smith and Lydia Allsopp in the correct year with the same father for Lydia that I had, and the same year of birth for William and Lydia. but this has William Henry as the groom's father.

So can somebody please find the 1881 and/or 1891 censuses with William Snr and William Jr (b 1877) but also (assuming Robert didn't die and Annie married his brother William who was put down as father of the groom) find censuses with Robert and William to corroborate the fact that there were two William Henry Smiths born in Woodville around the same time.
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Re: John Smith

Postby BC Wench » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:27 pm

From FreeREG

Marriage: 28 November 1898 St Editha, Tamworth
William Henry Smith, 21, B, Stoker, 6 Gas Lane Tamworth, Father: William Henry Smith, Pipe-Maker (Deceased)
Lydia Allsopp, 20, S, Glascote Heath, Father: John Allsopp, Collier
Wit: Thomas Smith, Eliza Gould

?????
1881 Census: 83 Bridge Street, Stoke on Trent,
William Smith, Head.Mar, 40, Pipe Maker, Ashby, Leics
Jane Smith, Wife, 38, Tamworth
John Smith, Son, 16, Tailor
Thomas Smith, Son, 10, Scholar Is he the witness to William & Lydia's marriage???
William Smith, Son, 6, Scholar
Mary J. Smith, Dau, 3
(Others born Woodville)

????
1891 Census: 17 Brewery Lane, Tamworth
William Smith, Head.Mar, 50, Brickmaker, Ashby de la Zouch, Leics
Jane Smith, Wife, 48
Thomas Smith, Son, 19, Painter
William Smith, Son, 17, Coal Miner
Jane Smith, Dau, 13, Scholar
Henry Smith, Son, 8, Scholar ?living with William & Lydia in 1901 & 1911
Kate Smith, Dau, 5, Scholar
(Others born Tamworth)

Next censuses already given to you on forum
1901 Census: 2 Gas Lane, Tamworth.
William SMITH hd.24 Coal Miner Hewer b.Woodville,Leics.
Lydia SMITH wife 23 b.Polesworth.
William H.SMITH son 2 b.Tamworth.
Sydney SMITH son 2 mths. b.Tamworth.
Henry SMITH boarder 18 Lab. Pipe Yard. b.Tamworth. 1883

1911 Census: 36 Belper St Ilkeston
William Smith, Head, Married, 34, Coal Miner Hewer, Woodville Leicestershire 1877
Lydia, Wife, Married 12 years, 33, Polesworth Warwickshire
William, Son, 12, School, Tamworth Warwickshire
Sydney, Son, 10, School, Tamworth Staffordshire
Lizzie, Daughter, 8, School, Glascote Heath Warwickshire
Ruth, Daughter, 6, School, Kingsbury Warwickshire 1905
John, Son, 3, Kingsbury Warwickshire B: 20 June 1907
Phoebe, Daughter, 0, Ilkeston Derbyshire
Mary Ann, Daughter, 0, Ilkeston Derbyshire
Henry, Brother To Head, Single, 26, Coal Miner Hewer, Tamworth Warwickshire

1939 Register: 18 Mundy Street, Ilkeston (FMP)
John Smith - B: 20 Jun 1907 - Colliery Hewer/Heavy Worker - Married
Edith E Smith - B: 11 Jan 1911 - Unpaid Domestic Duties - Married
4 Closed Records

Next door at No: 19
Samuel T Disney - B: 21 May 1885 - Knitting Machine Cleaner Artificial Silk Fabric - Married
Emily G Disney - B: 11 Sep 1887 - Unpaid Domestic Duties - Married
1 Closed Record
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Re: John Smith

Postby SteveTurner » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:53 pm

Thank you for that, BC.

I didn't know about FreeREG nor the 1939 register. I did know that Edith's parents lived next door. Unfortunately very little of Mundy Street exists now and a few houses on Belper Street were knocked down to be replaced by a car park for a factory including number 36.

I wish the ages from the 1881 and 1891 censuses matched the 1901 and 1911 censuses though.
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