William France

[Northern Lass]

can anyone find Joseph France b abt 1838 sheffield area in 1871 pls
1881. No 48 Backfield, Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire.
Joseph France 44. Hawker. Mar.
Elizabeth Norton 33. Serv. Unm.
William France 13. Son.
John Norton 10.
Mary France Norton 6
Joseph France Norton 3.
George E.F. Norton 1.
All born Sheffield.

[Northern Lass]

Got Certifs
father for Elizabeth is deffo Peter France

so bit stuck really.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =991313017

I think Peter france dies in 1877...if that is really her father.

but gone as far as I can at moment.

Can't see a birth for Elizabeth that gels.
Think she is actually born 1849 ish which is what is coming out on her 2 marriages and on 1911 census

[Jimmy]

France on Image.

1851. Brightside Bierlow, Pitsmoor, Yorkshire.
Edwin Brandle 33. Cutter.
Ann Brandle 33.
Thos Brandle 5.
Peter Franger 29. Lodger.
Mary Franger 21.
Elizh Franger 2.

All born Sheffield.

1861. Sheffield.
Peter France 39. ????????? Cutter.
Mary France 31.
Elizabeth France 12.
Samuel France 10.
William France 7.
Martha France 4.
John France 2.

All born Sheffield.

[Jimmy]

1841. Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire.
Josh France 55. Cutter.
Mary France 60.
Peter France 20. Cutter.
Elizth Marshall 25.
Saml Marshall 3.
John Marshall 3 Mo.

[Jimmy]

Deaths Mar 1871.
France Peter. 49. Ecclesall B. 9c. 174.

[Northern Lass]

1841. Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire.
Josh France 55. Cutter.
Mary France 60.
Peter France 20. Cutter.
Elizth Marshall 25.
Saml Marshall 3.
John Marshall 3 Mo.

This looks promising
and fits I think with the 1871 census where a Samuel Marshall has an uncle peter france with him

not sure on that death....cos if he is on census in 1871 would that be his death in 1871 march qtr when was census in 1871 ?

[Jimmy]

2nd of April

[Northern Lass]

Marriages Dec 1847
Bingham Harriet Rotherham 22 414
COGGIN James Millington Rotherham 22 414
FRANCE Peter Rotherham 22 414
KAY James Rotherham 22 414
MASFORTH Malin Rotherham 22 414
NELSON Mary Ann Rotherham 22 414
Roberts Sarah Ann Rotherham 22 414

FRANCE, ELIZABETH NELSON Order
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 571

so that fits

but I think that Peter is on the 1871 census as uncle so that death in 1871 wouldn't.

[Northern Lass]

1871 Arundall? Lane Sheffield
Samuel Marshall head mar 33 file cutler
Mary Ann Marshall wife 28?
John Marshall son 2
Peter France unm 54 Uncle Knife Hafter
all born Yorkshire Sheffield

I think that would fit with that Samuel Marshall in 1841

so maybe Peter is the one who dies aged 60 in 1877
and maybe the 1851 and 1861 dob is out for him on census.

[Northern Lass]

Then there is this one in 1861 same address for a Peter France

1861 4 Arundal Lane Sheffield
Peter France head unm 44 shoe blade forger
Joseph France father 75 wid.
all born sheffield


so perhaps the 1841 and 1861arundal lane and 1871 arundal lane are all same...that one dies 1877

but the 1861 and 1851 with a wife mary is another one.....ours I think...and dies 1871