William France

[Northern Lass]

poss timeline....


1841 Sheldon St Ecclesall Bierlow Yorkshire
George France 29 Cutler n
Mary France 26 n
Joseph France 2
Samuel France 9 mths
all others yes born in County

1851 Crown Yard Highfield Ecclesall Bierlow Yorkshire
George France head 39 Cutler b Chester
Mary France wife 36? cutlers wife b Eckington Derby
Joseph France son 12 scholar b Sheffield Yorks
Samuel France son 10
Mary France dau 8
Elizabeth France dau 4
Peter France son 1
all others born Sheffield Yorks.


1861 Joseph at 5 Egerton lane Eccleshall Bierlow Yorkshire
George France head married 49 cutler b Chester
Mary France wife 46 b Eckington
Joseph France son 22 cutler
Samuel France son 20 cutler
Mary France dau 17 charwoman
Elizabeth France dau 14 charwoman--------------------I think this is Elizabeth Norton
Peter France son 11
John France son 5
all others born Sheffield


Marriages Sep 1870
FRANCE Elizabeth Sheffield 9c 387
Hague Mary Ann Sheffield 9c 387
MUNDY George Sheffield 9c 387
NORTON John Sheffield 9c 387


1871 Egerton Lane Eccleshall Bierlow Yorkshire
John Norton head 26 married butcher knife cutler
Elizabeth Norton wife 22
John Norton son 4 mths
all born Sheffield


1871 Bank Lane, West, Sheffield County: Yorkshire
CROSHER, George Head M 50 1821 Yorkshire
CROSHER, Walter Son M 21 1850 Yorkshire
CROSHER, Elizebeth Daughter F 16 1855 Yorkshire
CROSHER, Albert Son M 14 1857 Yorkshire
CROSHER, Thomas Son M 12 1859 Yorkshire
ROBERSON, Sarah Lodger F 35 1836 At Sea
CHARLESON, John Lodger M 28 1843 ??
FRANCE, William Lodger M 4 1867 Sheffield


1881. No 48 Backfield, Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire.
Joseph France 44. Hawker. Mar.
Elizabeth Norton 33. Serv. Unm.
William France 13. Son.
John Norton 10.
Mary France Norton 6
Joseph France Norton 3.
George E.F. Norton 1.
All born Sheffield.



1881 Nether Hallam Yorkshire (cant read address/street)
John Norton head married 37 Butchers knife cutler b Sheffield
Mary Ann ??? boarder widow scissors ??? ....b ?? Lancashire


poss death Deaths Mar 1888
NORTON John 44 Ecclesall B 9c 210

William is not with Joseph in 1891.............so where is Wm France in 1891

1891. Byre Lane, Sheffield.
Joseph France 56. Widow. Hawker fish fruit.
Joseph N France 13. Son.
George E France 11. Son.
Samuel France 6. Son.
All born Sheffield.

1891. 14 Court 1 House, Solly St, Sheffield.
Henry Barlow 34. Horse hair carter. Whitechapel, Lancashire.
Martha Barlow 37.
William Mitchell 16.
Amelia Barlow 13.
Mary E Barlow 11.
Harriett Barlow 6.
Ada Barlow 3.
Elizabeth Norton 44. Visitor. Mar.
John Norton 20. Son.
Mary Norton 16. Dau.
Martha Norton 1. Dau.
All others born Sheffield.


Marthas ...poss birth Births Jun 1889 France Martha Sheffield 9c 476
cant see one for Martha Norton

bapt for martha?
name: Martha France.
baptism/christening date: 07 May 1889.
baptism/christening place: Sheffield, Yorkshire.
father's name: Joseph France.
mother's name: Elizabeth.
indexing project (batch) number: I00815-1.
system origin: England-ODM.
source film number: 6343865.



Lancsman has this certif....

22 February 1892 Parish Church of Eckington Derby
William France 24 bach miner? mexborough? _________ no father is on certif
Maria Hunt 20 spinster Eckington William Hunt miner
banns
both signed
Wit - Albert Edward Kirby Mary Ellenor Kirby


1901 3? Alfred St Ripley Derbyshire
Wm France 33 head m 33 Life assurance b Sheffield Yorks
Maria France 29 b Eckington Derbys
Arnold France 8 ditto
Ethel France 7 ditto
Edith France 3 b Bradford Yorks
Wm France 1 b Nottingham
Gladys France 6 Months b Ripley Derbyshire


1901. 103 Eyre Lane, Sheffield.
Joseph France 62. Hawker fruit.
Elizabeth Norton 54. W.
Joseph Norton 24. Hawker.
George E Norton 21. Hawker.
Samuel Norton 16. Hawker.
Martha Norton 11.
All born Sheffield.

-Samuel...Births Jun 1885 Norton Samuel Ecclesall B. 9c 568

Marriages Mar 1909.
FRANCE Joseph. Sheffield. 9c. 641.
HOLMES Beatrice. Sheffield. 9c. 641.
NORTON Elizabeth. Sheffield. 9c. 641.
SHAW George. Sheffield. 9c. 641.

1911. 103 Eyre Lane, Sheffield.
Joseph France 72. Hawker Fruit.
Elizabeth France 62. wife. crossed out.
Joseph France 34. Son. crossed out.
John Bell 10. Grandson.
Married 3 years. crossed out.
3 children born, 2 died. crossed out

1911 23 Liddell Terrace, Gateshead
William France 43 b Sheffield Yorks
Marier France 41 b Eckington Derbyshire
Arnold France 18 b Eckington Derbyshire
Ethel France 17 b Eckington Derbyshire
Edith France 13 b Bradford Yorks
William France 11 b Nottingham
Cyril France 8 b Burton on trent
Hyla France 6 b Walsall
Bramwell France 4 b Hanley staffs

poss Deaths......
Name: William France
Birth Date: abt 1867
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1919
Age at Death: 52
Registration district: Lancaster
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 793

poss
Name: Maria France
Birth Date: abt 1871
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1934
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 362


Wills
France William, of 27 Wesbourne Rd, Lancashire insurance superintendent, died 24 November 1919. Probate Lancashire 1 March 1920 to Maria France Widow.
Effects £209. 10s. 6d.

[Northern Lass]

19090 marriage should maybe show that

Josephs France -father is George France
and Elizabeths Norton -father is possibly a Peter France
I have ordered certif.

[Northern Lass]

1851 and 1861 Elizabeth is down as dau to George France

he calls his son Peter

still think this is odd.

can anyone find any bapts for the France kids pls
see 1851 and 1861 census posted above

partic. Joseph and Elizabeth.

still need that 1870 marriage to check

[Northern Lass]

poss


birth
Name:Elizabeth France
Registration Year:1846
Registration Quarter:Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district:Ecclesall Bierlow
Inferred County:Yorkshire West Riding
Volume:22Page:122



death?
Name:Elizabeth France
Birth Date:abt 1847
Date of Registration: Jun 1920 Age at Death:73
Registration district: ecclesall Bierlow
Inferred County:Derbyshire
Volume:9c Page:487

[Northern Lass]

Mothers maiden name on that 1846 Ecclesall Bierlow birth of Elizabeth France
is Jaques

[rockyfowler]

Check the births first for mother on New improved site http://lostcousins.com/newsletters2/spe ... htm#Impact

[Northern Lass]

This one is bugging me...so just noticed that Hyla France born 1904 is born Walsall
annoyingly can't see mothers name on new GRo indexes but she is here
Births Dec 1904
France Hyla Walsall 6b 760

so Walsall is outside the Bc area...just...but going to stretch the boundary a little.

So adding her to Bcc to see if we can crack this thread.

[Northern Lass]

Started to add here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =409352853

[Northern Lass]

Ordered 1870 marriage certif to see if her fathers name is Peter France on that one as it is on 1909 marriage.
still adding this ...

[Northern Lass]

Mothers maiden name on that 1846 Ecclesall Bierlow birth of Elizabeth France
is Jaques

anyone see a marriage pls for mothers maiden name of Jaques to a france?

[Northern Lass]

and Joseph?
FRANCE, JOSEPH JACQUES
GRO Reference: 1838 D Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW UNION Volume 22

and bro samuel
FRANCE, SAMUEL JACQUES
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW UNION Volume 22 Page 105

[Northern Lass]

Marriages Sep 1838
BOWER Mary Ann Sheffield 22 395
CAMM William Sheffield 22 395
ENTWISLE John Sheffield 22 395
FRANCE George Sheffield 22 395
JAQUES Mary Sheffield 22 395
KNIGHT Harold Sheffield 22 395
KNIGHT Harriet Sheffield 22 395
MARSHALL Samuel Sheffield 22 395
SMITH Maria Sheffield 22 395

[Northern Lass]

have ordered the 2 marriages
I think 1909 says father Peter fro Elizabeth...did she make that up?

will see what the 1870 one says and confirm what 1909 says

[Jimmy]

I have thought that they were bro and sis all along.

[Northern Lass]

Will update this thread when I have certifs
will move back to gen. discussion