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Re: William France

Postby Northern Lass » Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:19 am

Births Jun 1867
France William Ecclesall B. 9c 338 ----------------------------------------------this one sticks out for me

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Births Dec 1867
France William Henry Ecclesall B. 9c 273 --mothers name Priestley

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Births Mar 1868
France William Dewsbury 9b 637 --mothers name Huscroft.

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Births Sep 1868
FRANCE William Dewsbury 9b 567 ...mothers name Mitchell

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Births Dec 1868
FRANCE William Arthur Thompson Doncaster 9c 566 --mothers name Thompson

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Births Mar 1869
France William Henry Dewsbury 9b 610

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Births Jun 1869
France William Dewsbury 9b 610

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Births Sep 1869
France William Henry Dewsbury 9b 646

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Births Mar 1870
France William Dewsbury 9b 603

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Births Sep 1870
FRANCE William Henry Sheffield 9c 352

rockyfowler wrote:1871
CROSHER, George Head M 50 1821 Yorkshire
CROSHER, Walter Son M 21 1850 Yorkshire
CROSHER, Elizebeth Daughter F 16 1855 Yorkshire
CROSHER, Albert Son M 14 1857 Yorkshire
CROSHER, Thomas Son M 12 1859 Yorkshire
ROBERSON, Sarah Lodger F 35 1836 At Sea
CHARLESON, John Lodger M 28 1843 ??
FRANCE, William Lodger M 4 1867 Sheffield

Bank Lane, West, Sheffield
County: Yorkshire


Jimmy wrote:1881. No 48 Backfield, Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire.
Joseph France 44. Hawker. Mar.
Elizabeth Norton 33. Serv. Unm.
William France 13. Son.
John Norton 10.
Mary France Norton 6
Joseph France Norton 3.
George E.F. Norton 1.
All born Sheffield.


Jimmy wrote:Not with Joseph in 1891.

1891. Byre Lane, Sheffield.
Joseph France 56. Widow. Hawker fish fruit.
Joseph N France 13. Son.
George E France 11. Son.
Samuel France 6. Son.
All born Sheffield.
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Re: William France

Postby Jimmy » Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:20 am

Northern Lass wrote:poss...
Name: William France
Birth Date: abt 1867
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1919
Age at Death: 52
Registration district: Lancaster
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 793.


Here you go NL.

France William, of 27 Wesbourne Rd, Lancashire insurance superintendent, died 24 November 1919. Probate Lancashire 1 March 1920 to Maria France Widow.
Effects £209. 10s. 6d.
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Re: William France

Postby Jimmy » Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:25 am

None for Maria.
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Re: William France

Postby Northern Lass » Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:07 am

1881. No 48 Backfield, Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire.
Joseph France 44. Hawker. Mar.
Elizabeth Norton 33. Serv. Unm.
William France 13. Son.
John Norton 10.
Mary France Norton 6
Joseph France Norton 3.
George E.F. Norton 1.
All born Sheffield.

This looks like Elizabeth

1871 Egerton Lane Eccleshall Bierlow Yorkshire
John Norton head 26 married butcher knife cutler
Elizabeth Norton wife 22
John Norton son 4 mths
all born Sheffield

1861 Joseph at 5 Egerton lane Eccleshall Bierlow Yorkshire
George France head married 49 cutler b Chester
Mary France wife 46 b Eckington
Joseph France son 22 cutler
Samuel France son 20 cutler
Mary France dau 17 charwoman
Elizabeth France dau 14 charwoman--------------------I think this is Elizabeth Norton
Peter France son 11
John France son 5
all others born Sheffield
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Re: William France

Postby Jimmy » Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:11 am

Looked yesterday could not find him.
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Re: William France

Postby Northern Lass » Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:19 am

Think Elizabeth France marries John Norton


Marriages Sep 1870
FRANCE Elizabeth Sheffield 9c 387
Hague Mary Ann Sheffield 9c 387
MUNDY George Sheffield 9c 387
NORTON John Sheffield 9c 387

she is sister of Joseph France
living with husband in 1871

Wm France maybe farmed out to rellies or friends

she marries John Norton in 1870 and has Wm France in 1867 at Eccleshall Bierlow in 1867
Then is living with brother Joseph France in 1881 down as unmarried (should say widow unless John is not dead!) ....and son Wm France

that is what I think :grin:

and then we have a poss birth
Births Jun 1867
France William Ecclesall B. 9c 338

my money is on that birth having no father and mother Elizabeth France
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Re: William France

Postby Jimmy » Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:33 am

Looks good to me. :clap:
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Re: William France

Postby Jimmy » Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:34 pm

1891. 14 Court 1 House, Solly St, Sheffield.
Henry Barlow 34. Horse hair carter. Whitechapel, Lancashire.
Martha Barlow 37.
William Mitchell 16.
Amelia Barlow 13.
Mary E Barlow 11.
Harriett Barlow 6.
Ada Barlow 3.
Elizabeth Norton 44. Visitor. Mar.
John Norton 20. Son.
Mary Norton 16. Dau.
Martha Norton 1. Dau.

All others born Sheffield.

1901. 103 Eyre Lane, Sheffield.
Joseph France 62. Hawker fruit.
Elizabeth Norton 54. W.
Joseph Norton 24. Hawker.
George E Norton 21. Hawker.
Samuel Norton 16. Hawker.
Martha Norton 11.

All born Sheffield.
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Re: William France

Postby Jimmy » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:23 pm

Jimmy wrote:1
1901. 103 Eyre Lane, Sheffield.
Joseph France 62. Hawker fruit.
Elizabeth Norton 54. W.
Joseph Norton 24. Hawker.
George E Norton 21. Hawker.
Samuel Norton 16. Hawker.
Martha Norton 11.

All born Sheffield.


It looks like Joseph was not a sister to Elizabeth, or they were naughty. :!:
Marriages Mar 1909.
FRANCE Joseph. Sheffield. 9c. 641.
HOLMES Beatrice. Sheffield. 9c. 641.
NORTON Elizabeth. Sheffield. 9c. 641.
SHAW George. Sheffield. 9c. 641.

1911. 103 Eyre Lane, Sheffield.
Joseph France 72. Hawker Fruit.
Elizabeth France 62. wife. crossed out.
Joseph France 34. Son. crossed out.
John Bell 10. Grandson.

Married 3 years. crossed out.
3 children born, 2 died. crossed out.
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Re: William France

Postby Jimmy » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:56 pm

Jimmy wrote:Marriages Mar 1909.
FRANCE Joseph. Sheffield. 9c. 641.
HOLMES Beatrice. Sheffield. 9c. 641.
NORTON Elizabeth. Sheffield. 9c. 641.
SHAW George. Sheffield. 9c. 641.


The other couple,
1911. 2 H 4 Ct Newton Lane Sheffield.
Henry Holmes 57.
Sarah Ann Holmes 52.
Earnest Holmes 18.
George Shaw 26.
Beatrice Shaw 25. married 2 years.
George H H Shaw.
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Re: William France

Postby Northern Lass » Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:10 pm

OMG :o :o

would love to see those 2 marriages

Lancsman get your pennies out! send for those 2 certifs!

1861 and 1871 same street for a George France with a dau Elizabeth dob matches
and then John Norton and Elizabeth France in 1871 who marry 1870
so something there ....she is either that dau or a rellie cos of connection on same street.

then that marriage in 1909
then why all that crossing out on 1911 re wife ... :wink: :wink:

Very interesting indeed
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Re: William France

Postby Northern Lass » Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:34 pm

poss death :?
Deaths Mar 1888
NORTON John 44 Ecclesall B 9c 210
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Re: William France

Postby Northern Lass » Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:42 pm

Poss births for kids...


1881. No 48 Backfield, Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire.
Joseph France 44. Hawker. Mar.
Elizabeth Norton 33. Serv. Unm.
William France 13. Son.
John Norton 10.
Mary France Norton 6
Joseph France Norton 3.
George E.F. Norton 1.
All born Sheffield.

-John....
Births Dec 1870
NORTON John Ecclesall B. 9c 261
--------------mothers maiden name France.

-Mary ...
Births Mar 1875
Norton Mary France Sheffield 9c 460
--------mothers maiden name France



[color=#FF0000]-Joseph...?? 2 births....that may fit
Births Sep 1873 Norton Joseph France Sheffield 9c 413 ---mothers maiden name France...does this one die?
Deaths Dec 1873
NORTON Joseph Francis 0 Sheffield 9c 292

so I think that Joseph France/Francis dies aged about 5 months in 1873.

Births Sep 1877
NORTON Joseph Francis Ecclesall 9c 396
...mothers maiden name France

-George..
Births Mar 1880
NORTON George Edward France Ecclesall B. 9c 372
---mothers maiden name France



1891. 14 Court 1 House, Solly St, Sheffield.
Henry Barlow 34. Horse hair carter. Whitechapel, Lancashire.
Martha Barlow 37.
William Mitchell 16.
Amelia Barlow 13.
Mary E Barlow 11.
Harriett Barlow 6.
Ada Barlow 3.
Elizabeth Norton 44. Visitor. Mar.
John Norton 20. Son.
Mary Norton 16. Dau.
Martha Norton 1. Dau.
All others born Sheffield.

poss births
Births Jun 1889
France Martha Sheffield 9c 476

cant see one for Martha Norton
------interesting here mothers maiden name Norton.

1901. 103 Eyre Lane, Sheffield.
Joseph France 62. Hawker fruit.
Elizabeth Norton 54. W.
Joseph Norton 24. Hawker.
George E Norton 21. Hawker.
Samuel Norton 16. Hawker.
Martha Norton 11.
All born Sheffield.

-Samuel...
Births Jun 1885
Norton Samuel Ecclesall B. 9c 368
---mothers maiden name France
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Re: William France

Postby Northern Lass » Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:04 pm

Marthas certif is interesting....maiden name of mother is Norton....
Births Jun 1889
France Martha Sheffield 9c 476


John Norton dies in 1888 he dies march qtr so Jan-feb or March
but Martha born June qtr so April may June......so I dont think he could be father..
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Re: William France

Postby Northern Lass » Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:32 pm

1881 Nether Hallam Yorkshire (cant read address/street)
John Norton head married 37 Butchers knife cutler b Sheffield
Mary Ann ??? boarder widow scissors ??? ....b ?? Lancashire

so he is there in 1881
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