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Lois SMART(Might be Black Country) 1861 ish

Postby Lulu » Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:46 pm

I don’t know if anyone has time to take a look at this but it may be that but writing this out might help me to see if I am missing something obvious.

I am trying to help a friend, she would love to know more about where her family come from and initially I wasn’t expecting to find a Black Country Connection, however it appears there is one, although whether anyone will ever unravel this is another matter.
What are the facts?
I have a birth certificate for Mary Ann Goulding born 1889, 399 Atherton Road, Hindley Green, Wigan
Her father is William Thomas Goulding and her mother is Lois Goulding, late Hayden, formerly Smart.

One would conclude we are looking for a Lois Smart, who married a Hayden and was probably widowed and then married William Goulding. OK so far?
This is where it fries my brain!!

The 1891 Census shows
William GOULDING Head Married 1866 Coal Miner Wigan, Lancashire
Lois GOULDING Wife Married 1864 Bilston, Staffordshire
Mary Ann GOULDING Daughter 1889 Hindley Green, Lancashire
Living at Taylors Row, Featherstone, Pontefract.

Well that looks pretty good, doesn’t it and Lois was born in Bilston...... Black Country!!
Only due to further difficulties I started looking deeper. So then I found this, also on the 1891!


Joseph GOULDING, Head 1838 Colliery Labourer Wigan, Lancashire
Mary A GOULDING, Wife Married 1833 Wigan, Lancashire
Isabella GOULDING, Daughter Single 1874 Coal Pit Bank Employee Durham
Lois GOULDING Daughter Married 1862 Worcester
Mary A GOULDING Daughter Single 1889 Hindley, Lancashire
James WHITEHEAD Boarder Single 1867 Coal Miner Durham
John LEYLAND Boarder Single 1870 Coal Miner St Helens, Lancashire

They are in Atherton Road in Hindley Green. (That's the road on Mary Ann's Birth Certificate.
There is a Lois, birthplace Worcester in the house, which doesn’t tie in with the birthplaces of the others in the family and she is down as a daughter but with the same Goulding surname. So surely a daughter in law? Plus there is a Mary Ann aged 2, who must be Lois’s daughter, not the daughter the Head and his wife, as they are too old. But no William in this house.


I can’t find the GOULDINGS at all in 1881 Census
But in 1871 I found, in Stanley Street, Wigan

Joseph GOULDING Head 1839 Lancashire
Mary A GOULDING, Wife 1833 Lancashire
William T GOULDING Son 1865 Lancashire
Peter GOULDING 1867 Lancashire
Joseph GOULDING Son 1871 Lancashire
Matthew SMITH Step-Son 1852 Lancashire
Peter SMITH Step-Son 1855 Lancashire
Isabella CHADWIK Mother-In-Law 1804 Lancashire
Agnes MORRIS Lodger 1855 Lancashire

No Lois in the household, so I think that confirms Lois in 1891 is a daughter in law and there we have William T Goulding.
So, going back to the 1891 Census, has Lois been put on it twice? In her in laws house and also with her Husband?

I believe Lois dies in 1898, there is a death for Lois Golding in Pontefract
GOLDING, Lois
Registration district: Pontefract
County:Yorkshire
Year of registration:1898
Quarter of registration:Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death:37
Volume no:9C
Page no:70

And in 1901 William has married Martha King, I have the marriage for that and here they are.
At 2 Chapel Street, Featherstone

William GOLDING Head 1866 Coal Hewer Wigan, Lancashire
Martha GOLDING Wife 1875 Newhill, Staffordshire **NOTE** Newhill doesn't exist, I believe this should be Newhall, which takes us back to Burton on Trent!
Mary A GOLDING Daughter 1889 Engly, Lancashire
Jany? GOLDINGDaughter 1892 Featherstone, Yorkshire
Samuel GOLDING Son 1897 Featherstone, Yorkshire
Bella KING Daughter 1900 Featherstone, Yorkshire
Joseph GOLDING Son 1901 Featherstone, Yorkshire

I also have the family on the 1911 Census

My biggest problem is, who is Lois Smart?
Are those two entries on the 1891 for the same person? She appears to have been born around 1861 but in Bilston, or Worcester?
Looking at the BMD there are just two Lois Smart’s born in the 1860s, both of them registered in Dudley. One in 1861 and the other in 1862.
I’ve tried the Census, there is a newborn Lois Smart on the 1861 Census living with her parents in Netherton. This was looking good, until I followed it through and she is still with them in 1881, unmarried but the Lois Smart I’m looking for married James Haydn, at Christchurch Burton upon Trent in 1880.
James Hayden died in the first quarter of 1881 and I can’t find his widow Lois on the 1881 Census just a few weeks later.
In 1884 I believe Lois Hayden married William ‘Golden’ in Durham.

So this totally rules out my Lois from being the one in Netherton. I believe the Netherton Lois to have married Henry York in 1885, at Dudley. And I can then follow those two through the Census.

However, there is one other Lois Smart and she was also born in the Dudley Area, in 1850. She lived with family around the Cinder Bank area and married a John Taylor. She can be found in 1881 giving her birthplace as Netherton but living in Burton upon Trent and has been living there for at least a year, as her one year old son was born there. This seems almost too big a coincidence, that the Lois I am looking for has also turned up there in 1880 and got married. Surely there is some family connection?

I am thinking that my only way forward is to either get myself to Stafford, to look at the records for the wedding of Lois Smart and James Haydn, or send off for the certificate.

As I said at the start, I am doing this for a friend and don’t want to be wasting her money.
Is there something blindingly obvious that I am missing? Is there anything else I can look up before I have to start spending money?

Has anyone managed to keep awake long enough to read all of this? :lol:

And finally, the Lois Smart registered in 1862, died, according to the GRO about 1868, aged about 2 but oddly wasn't registered until 1870!
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Re: Lois SMART(Might be Black Country) 1861 ish

Postby FarSide » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:51 am

Maybe Lois reverted to her maiden name on the 61 in Netherton

I can’t find the GOULDINGS at all in 1881 Census
But in 1871 I found, in Stanley Street, Wigan

Joseph GOULDING Head 1839 Lancashire
Mary A GOULDING, Wife 1833 Lancashire
William T GOULDING Son 1865 Lancashire
Peter GOULDING 1867 Lancashire
Joseph GOULDING Son 1871 Lancashire
Matthew SMITH Step-Son 1852 Lancashire
Peter SMITH Step-Son 1855 Lancashire
Isabella CHADWIK Mother-In-Law 1804 Lancashire
Agnes MORRIS Lodger 1855 Lancashire


1881
Newhouse Cottages, Esh, Durham
Joseph Goulding 44 - Coalminer
M. Ann Goulding 49
W. Thomas Goulding 18 - Coalminer
Peter Goulding 16 - Coalminer
Joseph Goulding 12
M. Ann Goulding 8 - b Durham
Isabella Goulding 5 - Durham
others b Wigan
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Re: Lois SMART(Might be Black Country) 1861 ish

Postby Lulu » Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:10 am

Thank you Farside, :grin: that explains why William Thomas 'Golden' marries Lois Hayden up in Durham. The whole family moved there for a while. So that information makes me fairly certain that is their marriage and 'Golden' is just one of the usual errors of the time.

I would love that Lois in Netherton, with father Daniel and family, to be the one I'm looking for but Ancestry kept suggesting a Lois York to me. So I investigated for a marriage and there is Lois Smart, marrying a Henry York, in Dudley and she continues to appear on later Census, showing her birthplace as Netherton. She moves to Barnsley and dies 4th July 1914 and leaves an Estate of £9 10s 1d.

As there are no other Lois Smarts showing up anywhere in the 1861 and 1867 Census, I strongly feel that Lois Smart/York is the one and only one showing on the Census.

Maybe my lady wasn't a Lois and changed the name she was known by? She could be one of the many illegitimate children brought up by family and moved from one household to another, as often happened in those unregulated times. If that is the case, the marriage Certificate may not be much help, as the space for Father may well be blank, or show unknown.
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Re: Lois SMART(Might be Black Country) 1861 ish

Postby Northern Lass » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:46 pm

Births Mar 1850
Smart Lois Dudley 18 259

Births Jun 1861
Smart Lois Dudley 6c 120

Births Mar 1862
SMART Lois Dudley 6c 148

Deaths Sep 1870
Smart Lois 2 Dudley 6c 6




Marriages Jun 1880
Hayden James Burton 6b 385
Heatherley Theodosia Burton 6b 385
MILLWARD William Burton 6b 385
Smart Lois Burton 6b 385


Deaths Mar 1881
HAYDEN James 31 Burton 6b 244


Marriages Jun 1884
Golden William Durham 10a 516
Hayden Lois Durham 10a 516
Johnson John Durham 10a 516
Underwood Annie Durham 10a 516
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Re: Lois SMART(Might be Black Country) 1861 ish

Postby Lulu » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:45 pm

Thanks for the Precis of my waffling NL. :wink:

As I was trying to explain Lois Smart born 1850 marries John Taylor and they move to Burton. Which is where my Lois Smart gets married in 1880. I have the older Lois in my head as a possible cousin, or Aunt.

Lois Smart born 1861 has to be the girl who can be seen living with her Netherton family (Father Daniel is a nailmaker) on the 1861, 1871 and 1881 Census. As the only Lois Smart, anywhere on the Census, I don't think it is too big a leap of faith to say she is the Lois Smart that married Henry York, in Dudley in 1885.

That leaves Lois Smart born 1862 and died before she ever made it to a Census, only for circumstances we can only guess, her death wasn't registered until 1870.

So those are the three Lois Smarts in the BMD and Census. Which leaves unanswered my main questions. Who is the Lois Smart that married James Haydn (Hayden) in Christchurch, Burton upon Trent in 1880? Where is she in 1881 and how did she end up on the 1891 Census, in two different places, with her In-Laws and in another town with her Husband and daughter?
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Re: Lois SMART(Might be Black Country) 1861 ish

Postby Lulu » Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:34 pm

I almost feel this problem is mocking me now!

Stuck, as I am at present, I thought I'd have a look through the Trees on Ancestry, see if there was a clue at all. I don't go copying other research but it can be a help sometimes, showing me something to go and look at myself.

The 3 Lois Smarts that are showing up as births on the GRO are all part of the same family and there are so many citations and other links, there doesn't seem to be much doubt.

The Lois Smart born 1850, who marries John Taylor and moves to Burton upon Trent is the younger sister of Daniel Smart, the nailer, who marries Mary Ann Williams and they have Lois Smart, born 1862, who marries Henry York in Dudley in 1885.

Poor little Lois Smart, born 1862 is the daughter of Samuel, a brother to Daniel and Lois (1850). She dies some time in the 1860s.

Samuel and his wife are to be found in Stapenhill, Burton upon Trent in 1881 and who would have thought it? in 1891 they are to be found in Featherstone, in Leeds Terrace, just around the corner from Taylors Row, which is where my Lois is living, for one of her 1891 entries.

I wonder if my Lois Smart, who married in Burton, in 1880, maybe was under age, could she have stolen Lois Smart's, born 1862, identity? There is definitely some sort of shenanigans going on here. :?
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Re: Lois SMART(Might be Black Country) 1861 ish

Postby Northern Lass » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:02 am

Do we have any census for this family
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Re: Lois SMART(Might be Black Country) 1861 ish

Postby Northern Lass » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:05 am

I have the marriage info for Lois Smart and John Taylor
father is a James Smart
will add in a min

wit is a Hannah walker and on I think 1861 Lois is down as sis in law to Hannah and Joseph walker

poss..IGI
groom's name: James Smart
bride's name: Eliza Jones
marriage date: 20 Sep 1837
marriage place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
indexing project (batch) number: M04014-3
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 378771, 378772, 378773, 378774, 378775, 378776, 378777
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Re: Lois SMART(Might be Black Country) 1861 ish

Postby Lulu » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:24 am

Here they are in 1851 living in Cinder Bank

James Smart Head Married 48 Coal Miner Dudley, Worcestershire
Eliza Smart Wife Married 48 Dudley, Worcestershire
Daniel Smart Son Unmarrie 26 Coal MinerDudley, Worcestershire
Hannah Smart Daughter Unmarried 18 1833 Nailer Dudley, Worcestershire
SMART, Ann Maria Daughter 16 1835 Nailer Dudley, Worcestershire
Samuel Smart Son 14 1837 Coal Miner Dudley, Worcestershire
Evy Smart Daughter 10 1841 Scholar Dudley, Worcestershire
Lois Smart Daughter 1 1850 Dudley, Worcestershire

This has reminded me of my early thoughts, in the search for the Lois I want, I don't think this Lois is the daughter of James and Eliza, isn't 47 a bit old in those days to be having a baby? Also a 9 year gap between Lois and Evy. Just a thought.
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Re: Lois SMART(Might be Black Country) 1861 ish

Postby Northern Lass » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:26 am

How do we know that Samuel has Lois?

any census for him in 1861?

could that Lois not be the one that marries Hayden?
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Re: Lois SMART(Might be Black Country) 1861 ish

Postby Northern Lass » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:27 am

Lulu wrote:Here they are in 1851 living in Cinder Bank

James Smart Head Married 48 Coal Miner Dudley, Worcestershire
Eliza Smart Wife Married 48 Dudley, Worcestershire
Daniel Smart Son Unmarrie 26 Coal MinerDudley, Worcestershire
Hannah Smart Daughter Unmarried 18 1833 Nailer Dudley, Worcestershire
SMART, Ann Maria Daughter 16 1835 Nailer Dudley, Worcestershire
Samuel Smart Son 14 1837 Coal Miner Dudley, Worcestershire
Evy Smart Daughter 10 1841 Scholar Dudley, Worcestershire
Lois Smart Daughter 1 1850 Dudley, Worcestershire

This has reminded me of my early thoughts, in the search for the Lois I want, I don't think this Lois is the daughter of James and Eliza, isn't 47 a bit old in those days to be having a baby? Also a 9 year gap between Lois and Evy. Just a thought.


on marriage for Henry York father is James :?
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Re: Lois SMART(Might be Black Country) 1861 ish

Postby Lulu » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:32 am

Yes, I know but how many illegitimate children got swallowed up into Grandparents family and grew up thinking Mum was an older Sister? As I say, just a thought, nothing provable.
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Re: Lois SMART(Might be Black Country) 1861 ish

Postby Lulu » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:34 am

Northern Lass wrote:How do we know that Samuel has Lois?

any census for him in 1861?

could that Lois not be the one that marries Hayden?


She doesn't appear on the 1871 Census with him and there is that death in the Dudley area in the 1860s. There is a baptism somewhere, hang on I'll find it. (I hope)
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Re: Lois SMART(Might be Black Country) 1861 ish

Postby Northern Lass » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:37 am

Who does samuel marry?
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Re: Lois SMART(Might be Black Country) 1861 ish

Postby sp1 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:39 am

Lulu wrote:Here they are in 1851 living in Cinder Bank

James Smart Head Married 48 Coal Miner Dudley, Worcestershire
Eliza Smart Wife Married 48 Dudley, Worcestershire
Daniel Smart Son Unmarrie 26 Coal MinerDudley, Worcestershire
Hannah Smart Daughter Unmarried 18 1833 Nailer Dudley, Worcestershire
SMART, Ann Maria Daughter 16 1835 Nailer Dudley, Worcestershire
Samuel Smart Son 14 1837 Coal Miner Dudley, Worcestershire
Evy Smart Daughter 10 1841 Scholar Dudley, Worcestershire
Lois Smart Daughter 1 1850 Dudley, Worcestershire

This has reminded me of my early thoughts, in the search for the Lois I want, I don't think this Lois is the daughter of James and Eliza, isn't 47 a bit old in those days to be having a baby? Also a 9 year gap between Lois and Evy. Just a thought.
47 is not too old - I have one ancestor who gave birth aged 52 in 1821!,and have seen several similar cases.
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