A bit messy this one...

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A bit messy this one...

Postby SRD » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:37 am

I have James Hillman (Hilman) bap (according to IGI) 8 Sep 1811, Albourne, Sussex married to Sarah Parsons in St George, West Grinstead, Sussex 4th July 1830. Wits: Edward Parsons & Edward Freeman. I can't find a suitable Sarah although there are one or two possibilities.
Sarah died and was buried 21 Apr 1839.
James & their children appear in the 1841 census in Partridge Green, West Grinstead along with his grandmother Lucy (née Brooks) and a possible other relative William Wileman (which might be Hillman) aged 50 but no other info so presumably born out of County.
I then have a marriage between a James Hillman and a Fanny Cooper on 18th May 1844 and they drop out of English records at least until June 1887 when there's a possible death for James at St Saviour.
James daughter Sarah seems to have vanished completely, I can't find a death or a marriage, but the US Federal Census Record for 1850 has the following entry:
Hillman James 46 Farmer $630 England
Hillman Fanny 25 England
Hillman Mary A 6 Illinois
Hillman George 2 Illinois
Hillman Ann 15 England
Hillman Susan 18 England
Home in 1850: Franklin, DeKalb, Illinois

Two big ifs:
First James' age which corresponds to a distant cousin of his (who didn't marry a Fanny) and the daughter being called Susan rather than Susanna.

Some of the family crop up in the 1856 Iowa State Census Collection 1836-1925
James Hillman, 44, M, Mar, 1 Years in State, England, Farmer, Naturalized voter, Militia
Fanny Hillman 34 F Mar 1 year in State
Margret T Hillman 11 F 1 year in State Ohio
George T Hillman 7 M 1 year in State Illinois
Flanklin T Hillman 3 M 1 year in State Illinois
James E Hillman 1 M 1 year in State Illinois
Residence County: Floyd
Locality: Union
Roll: IA_55
Line: 12
Family Number: 56

Although Mary seems to have become Margret and the additional middle initials look odd on the picture.

And later a few more may be in the 1905 Iowa State Census Collection, 1836-1925

Mrs Jas Hillman Marblerock
Leon E Hillman Marblerock
Leonard J Hillman Marblerock
Alice F Hillman Marblerock
Census Date: 1905
Residence State: Iowa
Residence County: Floyd
Locality: Ulster
Roll: IA_86
Line: 279

although that is much more tenuous.

So how can you help?
Can you find the first daughter Sarah:
baptism
Cowfold St Peter 1813 - 1901
Sarah
HILLMAN
d
19-Sep 1830
James
HILLMAN
Sarah
HILLMAN
Labourer


Can you find any emigration info; ship, immigration papers etc.?

I'm lost in most US records so either can you find BMD info for the family or point me towards where I can find them.

Whew! Thanks.
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Re: A bit messy this one...

Postby peterd » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:49 am

you got this marrige cert

James Hillman and a Fanny Cooper on 18th May 1844

does father match that 1811 bap you found ?
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Re: A bit messy this one...

Postby SRD » Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:05 pm

No actual paperwork but James is the father in both the 1811 baptism and the 1844 marriage transcriptions (which I have on disc from the Sussex Family History Society). There is another James Hillman who had a son James a couple of years earlier so it's not impossible that I've got the two lines crossed. However there are census and burial records that match him more closely.

I'm pretty sure the James of 1811, 1844 and 1850 in the first post are one and the same. It's the move to the States I'm trying to track, whether the daughter Sarah went with them and, if not, what happened to her. Also, I don't know if BMDs were registered in the States in the same way that they were here and how to access those records so I can confirm the births of James & Fanny's children. Finally, did James & Fanny stay, and die, in the States or did they come home?
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Re: A bit messy this one...

Postby gardener » Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:21 pm

SRD wrote:Hillman James 46 Farmer $630 England
Hillman Fanny 25 England
Hillman Mary A 6 Illinois
Hillman George 2 Illinois
Hillman Ann 15 England
Hillman Susan 18 England
Home in 1850: Franklin, DeKalb, Illinois


1856 Iowa State Census Collection
James Hillman, 44, M, Mar, 1 Years in State, England, Farmer, Naturalized voter, Militia
Fanny Hillman 34 F Mar 1 year in State
Margret T Hillman 11 F 1 year in State Ohio
George T Hillman 7 M 1 year in State Illinois
Flanklin T Hillman 3 M 1 year in State Illinois
James E Hillman 1 M 1 year in State Illinois
Residence County: Floyd
Locality: Union
Roll: IA_55
Line: 12
Family Number: 56

Although Mary seems to have become Margret and the additional middle initials look odd on the picture.



So how can you help?
Can you find the first daughter Sarah:
baptism
Cowfold St Peter 1813 - 1901
Sarah
HILLMAN
d
19-Sep 1830
James
HILLMAN
Sarah
HILLMAN
Labourer



Is this the same family? james dead and Fanny remarried?
1860 census Rockford, Floyd, Iowa
John Sims 26 farmer england
Fanny Sims 34 England
Amee Hillman 15 Ohio
George Hillman 10 Illinois
Frank Hillman 7 Illinois
James Hillman 5 Illinois
Rosa Hillman 2 Illinois

And could Sarah be here in 1850?
1850 Census Rockford, Winnebago, Illinois
Jason Marsh 42 lawyer
Harriet ditto 33
Frances ditto 17
Mary N ditto 6
Cerdric G ditto 1
Pamelia Gardner 17
Louisa Gilman 14
Sarah Hillman 18 England
Mariet Hanson 20

1860 Census Rockford, Winnebago, Illinois
Jason Marsh 52 attorney
Harriet ditto 43
Mary M ditto 15
?Cerdine G ditto 11
?Ogden C ditto 9
Sarah Hillman 27 servant England
Ann ditto 22 servant England
Ann Ryan 17

(Ann Illman, parents James and Sarah
01 MAR 1835 West Grinstead, Sussex, England)

The ages are perhaps a bit off but Winnebago is only a few miles from Dekalb where James and Sarah were in 1850.

George and William seem to be still in the Floyd area in 1880, both married and farming. Think I found them in 1870 too. Not sure what happened to the Sims-es.
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Re: A bit messy this one...

Postby gardener » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:38 pm

Hard to find this lot!
(transcribed as Lines)
1870 Union, Floyd, Iowa
Sims, Jno 36 farmer England
ditto, Fanny 44 keeping house England
ditto, Franklin 17 labourer Ill
ditto, Rose 12 Iowa
ditto Jno 10 Iowa
ditto Chas 6 Iowa
ditto Mary 5 Iowa
ditto Mary 2 Iowa

next door
ditto Geo 29 farmer England
ditto Mercy 25 Iowa
Sims, Geo 8 Iowa
ditto Annah 3 Iowa
ditto Ada 11/12 Iowa
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Re: A bit messy this one...

Postby gardener » Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:47 pm

1860 census Rockford, Floyd, Iowa
John Sims 26 farmer england
Fanny Sims 34 England
Amee Hillman 15 Ohio
George Hillman 10 Illinois
Frank Hillman 7 Illinois
James Hillman 5 Illinois
Rosa Hillman 2 Illinois


Missed these before: next door to above
William Sims 52 farmer England
Anna ditto 51 England
Peter ditto 30 carpenter England
William ditto 28 farmer England
Lydia ditto 14 England
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Re: A bit messy this one...

Postby gardener » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:03 pm

hm, confused by the Sims/Lines names

1880 census Union,Floyd,Ohio

Hillman Frank White Male 27 abt 1853 Self (Head) Married Illinois England England
Hillman Rachell White Female 20 abt 1860 Wife Married Pennsylvania Pennsylvania Pennsylvania
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Parcher James White Male 28 abt 1852 Self (Head) Married Ohio Ohio New Jersey
Parcher Rose White Female 23 abt 1857 Wife Married Iowa England England
Parcher Nellie White Female 5 abt 1875 Daughter Single Iowa Ohio Iowa
Parcher Elias White Male 3 abt 1877 Son Single Iowa Ohio Iowa
Parcher Bertha White Female 1 abt 1879 Daughter Single Iowa Ohio Iowa
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Lines George White Male 41 abt 1839 Self (Head) Married England England England
Lines Mercy White Female 34 abt 1846 Wife Married Illinois England England
Lines George White Male 17 abt 1863 Son Single Iowa England Illinois
Lines Anna White Female 12 abt 1868 Daughter Single Iowa England Illinois
Lines Ada White Female 10 abt 1870 Daughter Single Iowa England Illinois
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I think I will let you digest that lot! It looks as though Rose Hillman maybe married James Parcher?
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Re: A bit messy this one...

Postby gardener » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:31 pm

They may be this lot of Lines?

Parents William and Ann Lines

PETER LINES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 AUG 1830 Brinklow, Warwick, England
WILLIAM LINES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 02 SEP 1832 Brinklow, Warwick, England
JOHN LINES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 JUN 1834 Brinklow, Warwick, England
ANNE LYNES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 29 MAY 1836 Brinklow, Warwick, England
GEORGE LINES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 24 FEB 1839 Walsgrave On Sowe, Warwick, England
JONAH LINES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 17 MAR 1844 Brinklow, Warwick, England
LYDDY LINES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 FEB 1846 Brinklow, Warwick, England
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Re: A bit messy this one...

Postby SRD » Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:06 am

Thanks. That's terrific. Give me a bit of time to go through that lot.
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