*Arc TBC* --Rowley, - Tipton, Dudley, Brierley Hill,?Chester

[sp1]

This has been a longstanding problem, but someone might just solve it!

I have: Edward Rowley b 1786, Tipton. He married Sarah Baker, at Tipton, and had children bapt at Tipton, Dudley, and Brierley Hill. He is on bcc here:

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&view=0&pid=35252&rand=376224163

His second wife was Jane (Unknown) 1785-1865, bur Wordsley. She was a widow - her first husband being Richard Allen: Richard & Jane Allen had 3 children that I know of: Eliza Allen b 1811, Catherine Allen b 1821, & Richard Ghent Allen b 1822, d 1881 (Brierley Hill). Richard Ghent Allen was a 'Hatter; by profession - he had a shop in Brierley Hill, and appears in trade directories and advertisements of the period. His 'step-nephew' Samuel Rowley (b 1817) was apprenticed to him and was also a 'hatter' in addition to owning a boarding school in Stourbridge. This Samuel Rowley married a Jane Allen, who in the census's over three decades gives her birthplace as Stourbridge, Chester, & Ireland!!!! (grrrr!!?*), and slightly differing ages giving a birthdate around 1816!! (could be about 5 years out!). Now............Samuel Rowley & Jane (Allen) had a son named Richard Ghent Rowley (note the similar names) 1840 - his birth certificate says at 'The Round Oak' - I think this was/is the pub by Brierley Hill Fire Station. This Richard Ghent Rowley was also a 'Hatter' and also 'Auctioneer' - he lived and had a shop in Coventry Street, Stourbridge.

The question is/ questions are:
1 Who was Richard Allen the husband of Jane
2 Where were their children born? and how many were there - there are obviously some missing, given the birthdates of the known ones, and was there a Jane among them born about 5 years either side of 1816 who later married Samuel Rowley (would this have been legal??)

By the way, there is a marriage on the IGI 14 April 1824, Dawley Magna, Shrops, for an Edward Rowley/ Jane Allen that IS NOT this couple, as they subsequently had chidlren in the same area of Shropshire.

Steve
ps solve this and you deserve a medal!

[linell]

Wasn't Richard Allen a Churchwarden I've seen that name 100's of times. Found Edward Rowley on Wm Fowler's Map of Brierley Hill 1822. His house was Plot 930 House and Garden on the corner of Dudley Road and Victoria Street.

From the Parish of Old Swinford Poor Law and Settlement Documents:-
1756 Anne Rowley wife of Wm Rowley from Old Swinford to Morville (Nr Bridgnorth) Salop
1794 Henry Widows Apprenticed to Godfrey Rowley Nailer Old Swinford
1690 John Rowley was an Overseer of the Parish


Looks like the Rowley family go back a long way in the Kingswinford/Old Swinford Parish.

Linell.

[MarkCDodd]

Is there a Catharine Rowley as a close relative?

I have a Richard Allen being witness to a marriage between a Catharine Rowley and Thomas Simcock at St Martins, Birmingham in 1861.

Looking through all my Shropshire Registers.....not many Richard Allens and none of them fit so the Dawley marriage is, as you said, probably not the one.

[linell]

DSCAM/3/364/1: Probate (13 May 1867) of the will (dated 12 Dec. 1863) of Edward Rowley of the parish of Oldswinford, Worcs., yeoman; household effects and income from all real and personal estate to wife, Jane Rowley, for life; thence for sale, paying off mortgages of £500 to John Yardley, £700 to Mrs Davies, late Miss Bourne and £250 to Richard Ghent Allen and the legacy of £19 19/- to grand daughter, Sarah Rowley Cook; half balance to be invested to pay income to Jane Rowley, wife of his son Samuel Rowley, for life, then to Samuel Rowley for life, thence capital for equal division between their children; other half to daughter Sarah, wife of Richard Ghent Allenexecutors, Richard Ghent Allen of Brierley Hill, Staffs., hatter and Thomas Simcox of Wednesbury, Staffs., tailor.
Description DSCAM/3/364/2: Bargain and sale and feoffment (21 July 1820) by Francis Downing of Dudley, Worcs., gentleman to John Jones of the parish of Kingswinford, Staffs., yeoman and George Allen of the same, millman (his trustee to uses), of 500sq. yds of land at Brierley Hill, adjoining the Dudley-Stourbridge turnpike and lands conveyed by deed of even date to Edward Rowley; to the use of Jones, as specified, with power of appointment; consideration of £25; appointment by Downing of William Fellowes the younger of Dudley, gentleman as his attorney to deliver seisin; livery of seisin endorsed.

[linell]

DSCAM/3/364/6-7: Admittance (24 Jan. 1823) of Edward Rowley, formerly of Brierley Hill, now of the parish of Oldswinford, Worcs., yeoman (as father and customary heir of Edward Rowley the younger of Brierley Hill, yeoman, deceased) to a plot of land on the south-east side of the Brettell Lane-Dudley turnpike, near Brierley Hill, with the messuage erected thereupon; and conditional surrender of the premises (same date) to Emma Jemima Bourne, to secure £73 10/- by way of mortgage. Manor of Kingswinford; James Samuel Bourne, steward; out of court.
Description DSCAM/3/364/8-11: Particulars and conditions of sale of property at Brierley Hill, with memoranda of purchase of Lots 4-9 [Lot 6 is Fox and Goose]; advertisement; plan of lots 1-5 (in Dudley Street, Brierley Hill); purchase agreement of Charles Rowley of Brierley Hill for 3 copyhold dwellinghouses in Levell Street, Brierley Hill for £220; June 1867.
Description DSCAM/3/364/12-14: Abstracts of title (from 1820) to copyholds at Brierley Hill; 1835 and 1867.
Description DSCAM/3/364/15-17: Notice (24 Apr. 1864) to John Yardley as mortgagee of the assignment of the equity of redemption in properties at Crowley Plain, Brierley Hill and the Level, parish of Kingswinford, by Edward Rowley to Richard Ghent Allen of Brierley Hill, hatter; notice to same (7 June 1867) of Allen's intention to pay of mortgage; schedule of deeds to be given up by Yardley's devisees, and receipt for same of James S. Bourne, 11 Feb. 1868.
Description DSCAM/3/364/18: Notice of sale of building land fronting the Dudley-Stourbridge turnpike, 13 Sept. 1819. Note of purchase of varius lots by John Jones and Edward Rowley.
Description See also DSCAM/2/2/3/10-11.

[MarkCDodd]

Wouldn't you assume that Jane's surname is Ghent, given that it is not usually used as a Forename and we have a Richard Ghent Allen?

[linell]

Is there a Catharine Rowley as a close relative?

I have a Richard Allen being witness to a marriage between a Catharine Rowley and Thomas Simcock at St Martins, Birmingham in 1861.

Looking through all my Shropshire Registers.....not many Richard Allens and none of them fit so the Dawley marriage is, as you said, probably not the one.

There is definitely a Simcock connection see above:-

Thomas Simcox of Wednesbury, Staffs., tailor.

HTH Linell.

[linell]

I think this is Catherine who Married Thomas Simcock:-

1861 Dudley St Brierley Hill

SAMUEL ROWLEY Head Married 43 yrs
JANE ROWLEY Wife Married 43 yrs
RICHARD ROWLEY Son Unmarried 20 yrs
CATHERINE ROWLEY Daughter Unmarried 18 yrs
ESTHER ? CHERRY Teacher Unmarried 20 yrs
WALTER SHUTT Boarder 8 yrs
HERBERT SHUTT Boarder 7 yrs
MARGRET MICKLEWRIGHT Servant Unmarried 17 yrs

[linell]

Here's Edward Rowley and Jane in Old Swinford 1861:-

112 LOWER SWINFORD
EDWARD ROWLEY Head Married 75 yrs
JANE ROWLEY Wife Married 73 yrs
ELIZABETH RAYMAN Servant Unmarried 15 yrs

Linell.

[MarkCDodd]

The marriage was on the 30 Dec 1861.

The witness was a Richard G. Allen so that would have been the son.

[sp1]

Is there a Catharine Rowley as a close relative?

I have a Richard Allen being witness to a marriage between a Catharine Rowley and Thomas Simcock at St Martins, Birmingham in 1861.

Looking through all my Shropshire Registers.....not many Richard Allens and none of them fit so the Dawley marriage is, as you said, probably not the one.

Yes - Catherine was the daughter of Samuel Rowley & Jane Allen (Edwards son) - she married Thomas Simcock, and had at least one son, Richard Thomas Simcock, b 1863, Wednesbury - he was living in Clent in 1889.

[sp1]

Wasn't Richard Allen a Churchwarden I've seen that name 100's of times. Found Edward Rowley on Wm Fowler's Map of Brierley Hill 1822. His house was Plot 930 House and Garden on the corner of Dudley Road and Victoria Street.

From the Parish of Old Swinford Poor Law and Settlement Documents:-
1756 Anne Rowley wife of Wm Rowley from Old Swinford to Morville (Nr Bridgnorth) Salop
1794 Henry Widows Apprenticed to Godfrey Rowley Nailer Old Swinford
1690 John Rowley was an Overseer of the Parish


Looks like the Rowley family go back a long way in the Kingswinford/Old Swinford Parish.

Linell.

Edward was not from Kingswinford or Old Swinford - he was b Tipton 1786, parents John Rowley/ Sarah Smith - this John was not from Tipton, he arived there around 1782 when his marriage is recorded there: no idea where he came from, but there are no Rowleys in Tipton before this (at least not any continuous records). At the same time that John appears in Tipton a James Rowley also appears, so possibly a relative, maybe a brother, but have not succeeded in finding his origin either.

Steve

[linell]

Steve are you saying that Edward did not move from Tipton? Are their two Edward Rowley's both Married to a Jane, one in Tipton and one in Brierley Hill/Kingswinford?

Linell.

[sp1]

Is there a Catharine Rowley as a close relative?

I have a Richard Allen being witness to a marriage between a Catharine Rowley and Thomas Simcock at St Martins, Birmingham in 1861.

Looking through all my Shropshire Registers.....not many Richard Allens and none of them fit so the Dawley marriage is, as you said, probably not the one.

There is definitely a Simcock connection see above:-

Thomas Simcox of Wednesbury, Staffs., tailor.

HTH Linell.

These Rowleys have some strange connection with Birmngham - many of the descendants married there even though none of these (ie the ones who married there) ever lived there, and this was over several generations. Very odd, and never been able to discover why.

Steve

[linell]

Someone on Ancestral File LDS Site has this family, apparently they were the ones who originated from Shropshire A lot of BC Ancestors Married in B'ham, I don't know why, pehaps it was the up market thing to do, like people today who marry in far flung places

Linell.