Joseph Smart b abt 1814 Halesowen on BCC

[sp1]

I have long known of a grandson of 'Lord Dudley' who was a butcher in Halesowen (he is mentioned in a number of textbooks which I read many years ago, one of them being by Phillimore, which used to be in Dudley Library), and this is him:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=374252

By complete coincidence this post popped up today, after I had found the information (today!!) re Joseph Smart when looking at the Dudley family and was about to post the information:
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=20024

Details to follow when I can type up the information from the book.........

[mallosa]

......the mind boggles sp1, can't wait to see what you have!

[sp1]

I am pretty sure the book is out of copyright (published 1889), but even if not think its ok to post this small excerpt under 'fair use'
This is from 'Collections for a History of Staffordshire' Vol 9. Section two - The Barons of Dudley, by H S Grazebrook.

The part of this I am quoting deals with the co-heirs to the Barony of Dudley, which was well researched at the time - some of the people mentioned were still living, as you can see from the text):

Page 144

SMART FAMILY.
Benjamin Smart of Halesowen, the husband of Mary Woodcock,
the eldest surviving daughter and co-heir of her mother
Frances Woodcock, n6e Lea, died on the 2nd of October, 1822, aged
74, leaving issue by his said wife (who died 6th January, 1816,
aged 65) an only child Joseph.
This Joseph Smart, who was a butcher at Halesowen, married
in January, 1812, Susanna Hall, and dying on the 5th September
was buried on 7th September, 1855, aged 70, having had by the
said Susanna (who died 14th November, 1865, aged 80) the following
issue :
1. Joseph Smart, born 20th June, 1813 ; of whom next.
2. Robert Smart, of Halesowen, butcher and cattle dealer,
born 30th April, 1815, married 10th February, 1856, Mary
Hodgetts, and has issue:
1. Edward Smart, born 6th December, 1856.
i. Frances Smart, born 1st October, 1858.
ii. Lucy Smart, born March, 1862.
i. Jane Smart, died in her infancy, aged 2 years.
Joseph Smart, the elder son, was a tenant farmer at Oatenfields,
Halesowen. He married 15th May, 1844, Mary Ann Jones, and
died in October, 1877, having had issue:
1. Robert Smart, born 4th April, 1848, married 10th June,
1873, Sarah, daughter of William Moseley of Halesowen.
2. Joseph Smart, born 26th September, 1850.
3. William Smart, born 18th December, 1852.
4. John Green. Smart, born llth September, 1855.
i. Mary Ann Smart, born 12th March, 1845, died an infant,
ii. Susanna Jane Smart, born 21st March, 1846, married at
Halesowen, 15th September, 1875, to Thomas Higgins of
Thornton, Bucks,
iii. Emily Smart, born 28th July, 1858, married 6th August,
1879, to Hugh Higgins, only son of Hugh Higgins of
Horton, Northamptonshire.
iv. Lizzie Maria Smart, born llth December, 1860.
v. and vi. Edith Smart and Alice Smart, twins, born 25th
March, 1866.

There are several sections - some of the other families eg Lea, are on BCC.
Grazebrook says about them:
'The humble position occupied by some of the descendants of
Frances Woodcock has been more than once referred to in genealogical
works ; and more especially have the Halesowen butcher
and the Cooper's Bank toll-gate keeper who, as Mr. Long1
puts
it, was "taking toll at a turnpike almost under the very walls
of those feudal towers that gave the name to the barony of which
he was a co-heir," served to point a moral in Sir Bernard Burke's
" Vicissitudes of Families."
I hope to deal with the junior branches of the house of Sutton
alias Dudley in a future volume of these " Collections."
1 "
Royal Descents, a genealogical list of the several persons entitled to quarter
the Arms of the Royal Houses of England, by C. E. Long," published 1845.'

[sp1]

Have just noticed Jan has added a few details to BCC.

Here are a few more:

Joseph Smart and Susannah Hall married 2 Jan 1812, Edgbaston

They had one other child, Jane, born 2 May 1817, bapt 24 March 1818, bur 19 oct 1818, Halesowen (the birth date is in bapt register).

[mallosa]

Think I've added all that sp1

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=374376

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=374376

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=374376

Let me know if I've missed anything

[sp1]

Think I've added all that sp1

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=374376

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=374376

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=374376

Let me know if I've missed anything

That looks fine.
I've been looking at Richard Pearson/ Lucy Smart - will do a separate post.

Do you want me to post the connection back to the Lea family of Halesowen Grange (including the connection to Lord Dudley?
This will the let me add the connections to the families of Wilmot, Green, Hughes, Fereday, and lots of others locally....
(I'm afraid we'll have to trust Grazebrook for some of this, but a lot of it is available in your local library in various publications by Burke etc - they are very well documented due to the long court cases involving the heirs to the Barony of Dudley- of which the Smart family were just one. It's all very interesting, even if you're not related!

Edit: forget to add - did you my other post re the Hall (Susannah) and Jones connections? - didn't these Smarts marry anyone who wasn't related?!

[mallosa]

Do you want me to post the connection back to the Lea family of Halesowen Grange (including the connection to Lord Dudley?

You can post by all means sp1, perhaps someone else can help to add to BCC

It is very interesting!

[sp1]

Do you want me to post the connection back to the Lea family of Halesowen Grange (including the connection to Lord Dudley?

You can post by all means sp1, perhaps someone else can help to add to BCC

It is very interesting!

Looks like FarSide has beaten me to it! - I'm sure all that wasn't on there yesterday!!! If we take the line back another few generations we can include the children of the Dudley/ Tomlinson interlude with all those illegitimate children, and connect up Abraham Darby (yes, that one) and the Darbys of Gornal!

And I found last week, that a lot of the Dudleys in Old Swinford connect via Walter Dudley born 1636 in Dudley- one of whose descendants married my distant cousin....

[Northern Lass]

Thanks sp1 and san

I connected to Leas via mary woodcock other day

so this thread looks completed so will move to arc.