John Williams born 1800

[Rob]

I always thought that this John Williams b.1800 was the John Williams who married Sarah Wood and then Mary Greaves but obviously not if his parents are Thomas and Jane.
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =464436822

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =441991675

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =981576548

Are these the same person ?

[Northern Lass]

need that marriage sending for Rob to Mary Greaves

you got some money go on send for it
1846. WILLIAM John, GREAVES Mary, Stourbridge Register Office, Dudley Register Office, 001/001/53.


I think it is the Thomas and Jane one
he calls son Thomas

JOHN WILLIAMS Christening: 21 DEC 1800 Lilleshall, Shropshire,
Parents:
Father: THOMAS WILLIAMS
Mother: JANE Extracted

[Rob]

True Jan.Not about me having plenty of money but the fact we need that marriage certificate of John Williams and Mary Greaves.
So many people on Ancestry are saying John Williams son of John Williams and Sarah Rose is the same one as the one who married Sarah Wood and Mary Greaves but none of them seem to have checked the marriage certificate.

[grangers14]

As its a registry marriage not a church, the only way forward is to buy the marriage cert Rob.
Jo

[Rob]

1841. Lilleshall, Shropshire.
John Williams 35. Labourer.
Sarah Williams 35.
Thomas Williams 19.
George Williams 17.
Henry Williams 15.
Emma Williams 12.
All borm in Shropshire.

second marriage 1846. WILLIAM John, GREAVES Mary, Stourbridge Register Office, Dudley Register Office, 001/001/53.

1851. Wells Green Cottages, Lapal
John Williams, head, 50, Cord Wainer
Mary, wife, 36,
George, son, 28, vice maker
Fanney Greaves, daughter in law, 14, Nailor
George, son in law. 9,
James, son in law, 6,
Hannah Williams, daur, 3
Eliza, daur, 5 months
All born Halesowen

The John Williams in 1841 is not the same as the one in 1851. The John Williams in Lapal is the brother of George Lloyd Williams. The one in Lilleshall is a different one.
Can someone try to find John Williams born Halesowen on the 1841 census?

[Northern Lass]

Ok I think they are same ones...


Emma the dau in 1841 puts in 1848 on her marriage father is a shoemaker

that ties in the John in 1851


so I think same guy

1841. Lilleshall, Shropshire.
John Williams 35. Labourer.
Sarah Williams 35.
Thomas Williams 19.
George Williams 17.
Henry Williams 15.
Emma Williams 12.
All borm in Shropshire.

Marriage info added by Jan and looked up by Maggie at the archvies
1848 : St John The Baptist, Halesowen
By Banns
Emma Williams, 19, S, Boro, Father John Williams, Shoemaker
Thomas Hall, OFA, B, Modeller, Boro, Father Thomas Hall, Chaser
Wit : Joseph Baker and Matilda Baker


and George son is still there in 1851
1851. Wells Green Cottages, Lapal
John Williams, head, 50, Cord Wainer
Mary, wife, 36,
George, son, 28, vice maker
Fanney Greaves, daughter in law, 14, Nailor
George, son in law. 9,
James, son in law, 6,
Hannah Williams, daur, 3
Eliza, daur, 5 months
All born Halesowen

[grangers14]

??
1841. Cornbow Street, Halesowen, Shropshire
John Williams, 45, Nail M,
Ann, 45,
Barzilla, 15,
Sarah, 12,
Emma, 11,
George, 7
All born in County

[grangers14]

I think the census I have just put may belong to Jane Williams they are living in the same area?

1851. Great Cornbow, Halesowen
John Williams, head, 57, nailer
Ann, wife, 58, Baker,
Emma, daur, 23, Dressmaker
George, son, 17, nailer
All born Halesowen

[Northern Lass]

I think the census I have just put may belong to Jane Williams they are living in the same area?

1851. Great Cornbow, Halesowen
John Williams, head, 57, nailer
Ann, wife, 58, Baker,
Emma, daur, 23, Dressmaker
George, son, 17, nailer
All born Halesowen

but Jane not with them in 1841....

but at least this rules out emma and George......so I still think we have correct one on bcc.

so what you saying Grangers.....that this John nailer with wife Ann is father of Jane on bcc?

[grangers14]

The census I put may belong to this??
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =981576548

[grangers14]

1841. Cornbow Street, Halesowen.
Joseph Baylis, 25, Brickmaker
Eliza, 25,
/Jane Williams, 20, nail maker
Mary, 1,
All born in County

So Mary born before marriage?

[Northern Lass]

The census I put may belong to this??
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =981576548

Could you add census to that one as a possible Jo?
do you have a min.............I think you are right looks like that one.



I have ordered certif for John William and Mary Greaves....................

[Northern Lass]

I have got the certif.......shoemaker so fits with father of Emma.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =970949597


cant connect though to that JOhn and Sarah on Bcc as no proof that that John is from that family
we have got a hyperlink on though.

So flagging to brickwalls or archive this