*ARC TBC* Charles Homer buried St.Johns Halesowen

[peterd]

Hi Everyone,
I am joining this forum for two reasons, (i) to further my research into family history knowledge in what is now the 'West Midlands', especially into HEATH, HIGGINS, HARRIS, BOULTER, HOMER and GOULD surnames, but also (ii) to investigate an archived forum topic (2012) that I fell upon in my searches last year: "Charles Homer buried St.Johns Halesowen". I have recently been researching the Enoch HOMER/Louisa PUGH family tree for my wife (nee GOULD) and would like to understand if anything ever came of this investigation by Mark CDodd and 'Northern Lass'.
I havent used a genealogical forum seriously before, but I am interested in the subject and run a U3A Family History group here in Devon.
Look forward to working with you.

[peterd]

this Charles ?

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original topic

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[peterd]

is this enoch

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... mer-Family


Charles ended up the son of enoch jrn and sarah Yardley


here

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... mer-Family

[peterd]

1913
HOMER * Charles JONES Mary Stourbridge Register Office Dudley Register Office 001/030/22
HOMER * Charles RUDGE Mary E Stourbridge Register Office Dudley Register Office 001/030/22

so was she a Jones prev? or are there 2 married that year?

this explains the above

Children of William Rudge took surname of his stepfather James Jones on Census but when married reverted to Rudge

[Wickens001]

is this enoch

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... mer-Family


Charles ended up the son of enoch jrn and sarah Yardley


here

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... mer-Family

Hi,
Thanks for this information, but the Charles HOMER that I am looking for was born in 1885, when Enoch (b1869) would have been 15! Or have I lost the thread of these notes?

[grangers14]

I have got a bit lost reading this too?
Perhaps Wickens you could give more info on what you have so far, then we can copy what was find on here?
Jo

[Wickens001]

Hi,
I am researching my wife's family tree via Enoch Homer (snr. b.1839), who was my wife's great grandfather. I became interested in Charles Homer (b1885) through the census returns for 1891, 1901 and 1991 as displayed through this topic, especially as his probable headstone has been found and displayed. However, these three census returns show differing relationships that obviously cause some confusion. Also the same problem seems to apply to Lizzie Homer (b1895), also shown in the 1911 census return in the Sarson household (but interestingly not shown in the 1901 census for the Sarsons).
The implication of the information shown on this website, i.e. that Charles was the possible son of Enoch Homer (Jnr b. 1869), is that Enoch was only 15 at the birth of Charles. The marriage information shown on the BCC site link, suggests that Enoch married Sarah Yardley in 1890. i.e. 5 years after the birth of Charles and it isn't obvious if Sarah is Charle's mother. I have found a possible birth index for Charles, as follows (and as of yesterday sent for a copy of the certificate):

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription
First name(s) CHARLES, Last name HOMER
Birth year 1885, Birth quarter 2, Registration month -, Mother's last name -
District STOURBRIDGE, County Worcestershire, Country England
Volume 6C, Page 149
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006

I also found some time ago, the military attestation record for Enoch Homer (b1869). It shows that he joined the 4th Battalion Worcs Regiment on 29th July. (See attachment). Not sure if this is a reason for marriage in December of that year.

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I haven't come to any firm conclusion as yet and guess the birth certificate may help (or not) - depends on how honest they were!! Depending on the outcome of the Charles certificate, I may also order Lizzie's certificate.

Hope this adds to the discussion.
Bob

[BC Wench]

These are my thoughts. I’ve looked at the census images on Ancestry, which are already on Black Country Connections web site.

1891 Census: Islington, Halesowen
Enoch Homer, Head.M, 52, Nail Maker, Cradley
Louisa Homer, Wife, 50, Brickmaker, Birmingham
Eliza Homer, Dau, 15, Nail Maker
Thomas Homer, Son, 13
Elizabeth Homer, Dau, 10, Scholar
Charles Homer, Grandson, 6, Scholar
(All others born Halesowen)

1901 Census: Islington, Halesowen
John Sarson, Head.M, 31, Spike Nail Maker, Loughborough
Fanny Sarson, Wife, 27, Halesowen
John Sarson, Son, 9
Thomas Homer, Brother-in-law-.S, 22, Nut & Bolt Forger
Charles Homer, Lodger/Brother-in-law.S, 16, Bricklayers Labourer
Louisa Homer, Lodger.Mother-in-law.Wid, 67
(All others born Halesowen)

1911 Census: Stourbridge Road, Hawne, Halesowen
John Sarson, Head.M, 42, Nailmaker, Loughborough
Fanny Sarson, Wife, 39, Nailmaker
John Sarson, Son.S, 19, Coachman (Domestic)/Corn Dealer
Charles Homer, Nephew.S, 26, Carter
Lizzie TAYLOR ON IMAGE NOT HOMER, Niece, 16, Button Polisher
Married: 20yrs 1 Child 1 Living
(All others born Halesowen)

Charles (born 1885) can’t be the son of Enoch Homer (1870) and Sarah Yardley, because as you say, Enoch would have only been 15 when Charles was born.

I’m wondering if Charles is the illegitimate son of Louisa Homer (born 1866 Ludlow, the daughter of Enoch Homer (1839) and Louisa Pugh) and on his marriage he puts Enoch down as his father to save face.

Just thoughts.

[grangers14]

My thoughts too BC Wench. I have just been going through.
I think that is the only way forward to be honest to buy the certs. That is noted on BCC too.
It would be great if you could get back to us with the info you gain!
Jo

[Wickens001]

Hi All,
Certainly Louisa (b1866) would be the only duaghter of Enoch (b1839) likely to have right age in 1885 for a possible child. It may also explain Lizzie's parentage in 1895, but lets see what Charles' certificate says. I will return to this thread as soon as the information is to hand!
I have also found a missing link to the family in 1871 Census, Enoch (1839) was probably in prison (lots of newspaper records recorded on my tree if anyone wants details), but so far not found on the census records for that year. However, I did find Loisa Homer (nee Pugh) in the Stourbridge Workhouse in 1871, together with her children, including 2 babies of 2 months old, see below:

1871 Census Record: Probable Louisa Homer (nee Pugh) in Workhouse (note: Enoch Homer was in prison/in troble throughout this period):
Note: their children were also in this workhouse: John (7), Louisa (5); Enoch (2); Sophia (2 mnths); Elizabeth (2 mnths) - probably twin of Sophia.
Name: Louisa Homer, Age: 28, Estimated birth year: abt 1843,
Relation: Inmate, Gender: Female
Where born: Old Swinford, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Kingswinford, Ecclesiastical parish: Wordsley, Town: Wordsley, County/Island: Staffordshire, Country: England
Registration district: Stourbridge, Sub-registration district: Kingswinford
ED, institution, or vessel: Stourbridge Union Workhouse
Household schedule number: 1, Piece: 3030, Folio: 128, Page Number: 8

[Northern Lass]

Jo not gone thru this thread but will sticky it

Wickens001 you contacte Jo and I via the BCC site I think
do you want your username added in notes that you Connect
if so I will add you to Charles Homer tomoz.

Jo could you do the hons re what we need to add to Bcc/and disconnect if we need to.

great if Wickens is getting the birth certif ...it never felt right the connection

[grangers14]

I have disconnected and added in notes and also linked up to his grandfathers family.
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =499932713
Jo

[grangers14]

Archive pending cert?
Jo

[Northern Lass]

Wickens let us know in a pm if you want your your name added in notes

[Wickens001]

Hi Everyone,

Sorry but I am little confused with the 'short-hand' used on some of the more recent posts, but assume that you have or will archive this topic in the near future? Not sure either, what you mean by "I have disconnected and added in notes and also linked up to his grandfathers family."

The result of the birth certificate (received this morning) is as follows:

Charles Homer, born 11th March 1885, Islington, Halesowen; Father - no entry; Mother: Louisa Homer (no maiden name); mother's occupation: Spike Maker; rank/prof of Father: no entry; Informant: mother, Louisa Homer, Islington, Halesowen; registered 20th April 1885, Halesown, Worcs.

As there is no stated maiden name, I assume the mother is Louisa Homer (b1866) rather than Louisa Pugh/Homer (b1841). As nothing is stated for the father, he is either a member of the family (e.g. Enoch jnr. or snr. - see Charles' marriage record) or someone else entirely outside the family. We may never know. Note: Howevver, if Charles' marriage record (1913) has any validity (debatable due to the 1948 changes), then the 'deceased' statement may be interesting - Enoch snr (b1839) died in 1894: July-September Quarter 1894, aged 55, BMD Ref: Volume 6c, Page 62

BUT Enoch jnr (b1868) was still alive in 1913, dying in 1918:
Name: Enoch Homer, Birth Date: abt 1868
Date of Registration: Sep 1918, Age at Death: 50
Registration district: Stourbridge, Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 6c, Page: 5

I am happy to be named in the Notes and final documenation from this Topic.

Many thanks once again for all the comments and previous work from the contributors. Sorry if am a little un-educated in Forum speak! I intend to continue with my own family tree research using this forum (also in the West Midlands). From a Brummie lad.

Regards,
Bob