ARC TBC - Benjamin Carter from Paulton to Dudley late 1840s

[Terry Carter]

Hi Everyone,
I am new to the forum. I have done a lot of research on the Carter family of Paulton, Somerset, and members of the family who moved to the Midlands, North of England, and the US of A. Ready to share any and all research.

My great grandfather, Benjamin Carter, was born in Paulton Somerset in 1822 and moved to Dudley in the mid to late 1840s as part of a migration involving a lot of people who left Paulton.

When Benjamin got married to Roseannah Owen in 1850 he gives his address as Oakey Well Street on the marriage certificate but no house number. There is no house number on the banns. I am trying to find out which house he lived in, since this may help clarify some of the Carter family lines in Paulton.

On the 1851 census, there are two Carter families from Paulton, Somerset, living on Oakey Well Street. These are:
George Carter born Paulton and Frances (nee Hickmans) born Dudley living at number 99 and
William Carter and Grace (nee Carter) both born Paulton with children Simon and Maty (born Paulotn) and Esther (born Dudley living at number 133.

I think Benjamin was living with one of these families. Are there any electoral registers, tax rolls, any other records that might show where Benjamin was living? Many thanks for any input.
Regards, Terry.

[Northern Lass]

Hi Terry

Dudley Archives is closed until January but they have electoral registers.

Where is Oakley Well street?
if it comes under the Sandwell area it maybe at Smethwick archives which can be visited.

Do you have any actually born in the Black Country area Dudley etc.
the only one I can see on Black Country Connections is this one
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =226674630

Do you have any children for the couple are they born in west mids if so I can put some on Bcc
and put your username in the notes then if anyone connects they can contact you via forum.

1850
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CARTER Benjamin OWEN Rosanna Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/010/290

Where is Rosanna from?

do you have Benjamin prior to 1851 and after?

[Antie Em]

Hi Terry - Oakeywell Street is in Dudley. I think it was around where Fisher Street is now. There won't be any electoral registers though until about 1918.

[Antie Em]

Had a look on Google maps, it is still there, runs off Flood Street, near to the Cousins Furniture store

https://maps.google.co.uk/

Maggie

[rockyfowler]

1861
CARTER, Benjamin Head Married M 36 1825 Miner
Bristol
CARTER, Rosehannah Wife Married F 34 1827
Oldbury, Worcestershire
CARTER, Edward Son M 7 1854 Scholar
Oldbury, Worcestershire
CARTER, Elizabeth Daughter F 4 1857
Oldbury, Worcestershire
CARTER, Andrew Son M 2 1859
Oldbury, Worcestershire
CARTER, William Son M 0 (3M) 1861
Oldbury, Worcestershire

Albert Street, Oldbury

County: Staffordshire

Edwards Birth cert might say where they were in 1854?

[Northern Lass]

Hi Terry - Oakeywell Street is in Dudley. I think it was around where Fisher Street is now. There won't be any electoral registers though until about 1918.

They started before then I have viewed them at Smethwick
their leaflet says..

"Electoral registers record the names of those entitled to vote......Electoral registration began in 1832 and registers have been issued annually since then, except in 1917 and from 1940 to 1944 because there were no elections during the first and second world wars and therefore no registers were compiled.

all men over 21 years old appear from 1884 onwards.
From 1918 women over 30 appear and from 1928 women over 21.

Electoral registrs are arranged geographically be electoral ward.
Most registers contain a street index but none are indexed by personal name.

You would have to contact archives to see what years and wards they have.

[Northern Lass]

Where is Benjamin in 1841 and where is Rosannah?

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =402328225

[Northern Lass]

This is Benjamin Carter in 1851 Meeting Street Oldbury
near Edward Owen a bricklayer (father of Rosanna?)
and Pearsalls

1851 Meeting Street
George Tarrant head married 34 Coal miner
Mary Tarrant wife 28
Catherine Tarrant dau unm cant read age
Betsy Tarrant dau cant read age
Sarah Tarrant dau something months
Benjn Carter lodger m 22 Coal miner
Rosanah Carter lodger mar 21
William Carter lodger 4 mths
all born Oldbury

further down sheet
Ruth Pearsall head 22

further down street
Edward Owen head 50 bricklayer

[Antie Em]

These are the records held at Smethwick Archives, if you a looking for Oldbury electoral Rolls

Oldbury - 1946. Worcestershire Records Office have earlier years
Rowley Regis - 1950 onwards. Staffordshire Records Office have earlier years
Smethwick - 1899 onwards
Tipton - 1919 onwards. Earlier years are included in Wednesbury Registers
Wednesbury - 1877 onwards
West Bromwich - 1883 onwards
Darlaston - 1920 to 1947

I can't remember seeing any earlier than 1918 for Dudley at Dudley Archives, I have e mailed Barb - she would be able to give us more of an idea

Maggie

[Northern Lass]

I looked up Quarry Bank at Dudley 1914 awhile ago.
Can't see their list of holdings or what years they cover.

[Terry Carter]

Many thanks to everyone who has replied to my initial posting. Your help is very much appreciated. I will try to answer questions first.

In 1841, Rosannah Owen was with her parents Edward Owen and Agnes nee Dunn on Chapel Road in Oldbury. In 1841, Benjamin Carter was in Paulton, Somerset, where he was born. Several families moved from Paulton in the late 1840s, including relations of Benjamin. He may have travelled with them. There was movement from Paulton to Dudley and back as early as 1805.

The census entries for 1851 and 1861 that were posted are the correct ones. I have details going forward from when Benjamin got married in 1850. What I am looking for is information just after he arrived in Dudley in the late 1840s. If I can find out which family he was living with on Oakley Well Street, it should help to clarify some family relationships back in Paulton.

If someone can tell me the best way for me to contact the archives where electoral registers may be stored, I would very much appreciate that. I live in the United States, so I am restricted to 'phone and email most of the time.
Regards, Terry.

[Terry Carter]

I kept this reply separate from my search for where Benjamin Carter was living in 1850.

Do you have any actually born in the Black Country area Dudley etc.
the only one I can see on Black Country Connections is this one
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =226674630

The Benjamin born in Tenbury was not in my family lines. The earliest known Carter family to move from Paulton was about 1804 when Reuben Carter and Elizabeth nee Poole made the move. They moved back to Paulton about 1816 after baptising some children in Dudley. Some of their children moved to Dudley in the early and late 1840s. This line goes back to Ruben Carter baptised Paulton 1749. I am descended from Ruben's older brother James Carter baptised Paulton 1744. There were other folks that moved from Paulton to Dudley in the 1830s, Carters and other families as well as individuals, and I can post details if this will help anyone in the forum.
Regards, Terry.

[Northern Lass]

Hi Terry you would need to contact Dudley archives
They are in the process of a big move and won't be open until January.
Then you could ask for some research but it will cost you.
http://www.dudley.gov.uk/resident/libra ... h-service/

on that link at bottom it will give you email address too.

you need to ask them what electoral registers they have.
Tell them what you want and ask if they can help.

Going to move this to Brickwalls later
Let me know if you want your username put in notes on this benjamin
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =544595803
I can put Connects to and then if anyone sees it they can contact you via forum

[Antie Em]

You could try Worcester Archives. I have searched the Electoral Rolls in Dudley and from what I remember for that for that part of Dudley, the town, not the Borough, the earliest they hold at Dudley Archives is 1918. Worcester Archives may hold earlier dates. They are very helpful and have a really good web site here : http://www.thehiveworcester.org

Or - if you can wait until the New Year - I will be going in January.

Maggie

[Terry Carter]

Many thanks to all for the additional posting replies. Living in the US of A makes it a bit harder to contact organizations. I am deeply grateful for everyone's input, ideas, and suggested contacts.

I just checked the Dudley Archives link and think it will be best to wait until late January before contacting them. It will take them a while to get everything running smoothly.

Please put all my contact information on the "bcconections.tribal pages" site. If there are other sites I can contact, please let me know.

If Maggie goes to The Hive in January, I would very much appreciate any information on what electoral registers, tax rolls, anything that might show where my great grandfather was living in 1850 when he got married. I looked at the link and got a list of books but could find nothing on what registers and so on they might be holding.

With just a very few days before the Christmas and New Years week, I doubt much is going to get done now, although I might try some emails. I will regroup and pick all this up in early January. I look forward to keeping in contact and, as I noted in my initial posting, I will share all my research if it will help anyone on the forum.