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Rock/Powell Confusion

Postby grangers14 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:07 pm

We had a query about BCC why Ann Powell was added to this family.
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... di=2943883

I have been looking the last 2 days to try and sort somethings out…

We also have on our tree a William Powell and John Powell whose marriage record shows William Powell as father...

William
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =809372884

And John
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =994774528

I feel that this is wrong and it should be in fact William Rock…
Job Powell who was Ann Powells son, NL has the birth cert for, was living with his aunt and uncle on census from 1861 + I cant find him in 1851, his birth 1849. His mother Ann I can’t see either but we just have an estimate for her birth.

Has anyone any thoughts on this please?

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Re: Rock/Powell Confusion

Postby Northern Lass » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:09 am

So you think the Wm Rock and Thomas Rock in 1841 with Wm Rock snr are
Wm POwell and Thomas Powell

are there any birth regs for those rock kids
so we could find out the mothers Mary surname

as it may be something else if Wm Rock is the one using Powell and Rock
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Re: Rock/Powell Confusion

Postby Jimmy » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:29 am

1841. Garretts Lane, Rowley Regis.
William Rock 48. Nailer.
Mary Rock 46.
Hannah Rock 16.
Elizabeth Rock 14.
William Rock 12.
Thomas Rock 10.
Mary Rock 8.
John Rock 6.
Eliza Rock 4.

1851. Garretts Lane, Rowley Regis.
William Rocke 60. Nailer.
Mary Rocke 56.
William Rocke 26. Son. Coalminer.
Thomas Rocke 24. Son. Coalminer.
John Rocke 19. Son. Coalminer.
Eliza Rocke 15. Dau.

All born Rowley Regis.
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Re: Rock/Powell Confusion

Postby grangers14 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:49 am

I cant confirm any christenings for them...

Jimmy wrote:1841. Garretts Lane, Rowley Regis.
William Rock 48. Nailer.
Mary Rock 46.
Hannah Rock 16.
Elizabeth Rock 14.
William Rock 12.
Thomas Rock 10.
Mary Rock 8.
John Rock 6.
Eliza Rock 4.

1851. Garretts Lane, Rowley Regis.
William Rocke 60. Nailer.
Mary Rocke 56.
William Rocke 26. Son. Coalminer.
Thomas Rocke 24. Son. Coalminer.
John Rocke 19. Son. Coalminer.
Eliza Rocke 15. Dau.

All born Rowley Regis.


Yep Jimmy, I have underlined the William and John I am on about...
When I was reading back on old threads about this family, Jimmy found a possible Burial. I will have to try and find that again... That was for Hannah Powell and a possible Burial for William Rock :?
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Re: Rock/Powell Confusion

Postby Jimmy » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:57 am

Name: William Rock.
Gender: Male.
Burial Date: 13 Feb 1859.
Burial Place: Rowley Regis, Stafford, England.
Age: 65.
Birth Date: 1794.
Reference ID: p 255 n 2038 , Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B01836-5 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 367784.
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Re: Rock/Powell Confusion

Postby grangers14 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:49 pm

You found this too Jimmy

Mary Powell.
gender: Female.
burial date: 10 Feb 1856.
burial place: Rowley Regis, Stafford.
age: 56.
birth date: 1800.
indexing project (batch) number: B02941-7.
system origin: England-EASy.
source film number: 367801.
reference number: p157 rn1251.

where are they from IGI/Family search??
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Re: Rock/Powell Confusion

Postby peterd » Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:46 pm

there these rock in gallery Rowley regis don't no if they help ?


William, Elizabeth

gallery/image_page.php?album_id=147&image_id=3644


moses, Martha, joseph

gallery/image_page.php?album_id=147&image_id=3643


john, Florence

gallery/image_page.php?album_id=147&image_id=3642


james, rose, sarah

gallery/image_page.php?album_id=147&image_id=3641


Benjamin, Hannah

gallery/image_page.php?album_id=147&image_id=3640
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Re: Rock/Powell Confusion

Postby peterd » Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:54 pm

grangers14 wrote:You found this too Jimmy

Mary Powell.
gender: Female.
burial date: 10 Feb 1856.
burial place: Rowley Regis, Stafford.
age: 56.
birth date: 1800.
indexing project (batch) number: B02941-7.
system origin: England-EASy.
source film number: 367801.
reference number: p157 rn1251.

where are they from IGI/Family search??



easy are submitted file to LDS ( IGI/Family search)
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Re: Rock/Powell Confusion

Postby peterd » Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:01 pm

Jimmy wrote:1841. Garretts Lane, Rowley Regis.
William Rock 48. Nailer.
Mary Rock 46.
Hannah Rock 16.
Elizabeth Rock 14.
William Rock 12.
Thomas Rock 10.
Mary Rock 8.
John Rock 6.
Eliza Rock 4.

1851. Garretts Lane, Rowley Regis.
William Rocke 60. Nailer.
Mary Rocke 56.
William Rocke 26. Son. Coalminer.
Thomas Rocke 24. Son. Coalminer.
John Rocke 19. Son. Coalminer.
Eliza Rocke 15. Dau.

All born Rowley Regis.



poss William ODM

William Rock
Christening Date 02 Aug 1795 ROWLEY REGIS,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Benjn. Rock
Hanh.


poss submitted marriage

William Rock
Mary Skinner
Event 30 Sep 1821 St. Mary'S, Kingswinford, Stafford,
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Re: Rock/Powell Confusion

Postby peterd » Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:10 pm

there this ? submitted

Joseph Rock
Christening Date 15 Feb 1825 Rowley Regis, Stafford, England
Birthplace Garrets Lane
Mother's Name Mary Rock
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Re: Rock/Powell Confusion

Postby gardener » Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:16 pm

peterd wrote:
Jimmy wrote:1841. Garretts Lane, Rowley Regis.
William Rock 48. Nailer.
Mary Rock 46.
Hannah Rock 16.
Elizabeth Rock 14.
William Rock 12.
Thomas Rock 10.
Mary Rock 8.
John Rock 6.
Eliza Rock 4.

1851. Garretts Lane, Rowley Regis.
William Rocke 60. Nailer.
Mary Rocke 56.
William Rocke 26. Son. Coalminer.
Thomas Rocke 24. Son. Coalminer.
John Rocke 19. Son. Coalminer.
Eliza Rocke 15. Dau.

All born Rowley Regis.



poss William ODM

William Rock
Christening Date 02 Aug 1795 ROWLEY REGIS,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Benjn. Rock
Hanh.



I think that is correct because next-door-but one are

1841
Benjamin Rock 74 nail m y
Hannah Rock 71 y
Benjamin Rock 42 lab at iron works y

and

next-door-but-three

1851
Hannah Rocke 84 pauper (nailer) RR
Benjamin Rocke 52 u (deaf and dumb) RR

Baptisms?

Joseph Rock 16 Apr 1813 Rowley Regis, Stafford, England Benjn.,Hannah
Benjn. Rock 24 Feb 1801 Rowley Regis,Stafford,England Benjn.,Hannah
Jas. Rock 10 Sep 1809 Rowley Regis,Stafford,England Benjn., Hanh.
Mary Rock 15 Jul 1792 Rowley Regis,Stafford,England Benj.,Hanh.
William Rock 2 Aug 1793 Rowley Regis, Stafford, England Benj.,Hanh.
William Rock 2 Aug 1795 Rowley Regis,Stafford,England Benjn.,Hanh.
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Re: Rock/Powell Confusion

Postby gardener » Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:27 pm

1861
Knowle
James Rock 52
Sarah Rock 50
Sarah Rock 21
Hannah Rock 15
Benjamin Rock 13
Richard Rock 9
William Rock 7
Samuel Rock 2
Benjamin Rock 60 brother u Dumb

1851

James Rock 43
Sarah Rock 40
John Rock 18
Maryanna Rock 16
Sarah Rock 12
Hannah Rock 5
Benjn Rock 3 Mo

1841
James Rock 30
Sarah Rock 25
John Rock 8
Maryann Rock 6
James Rock 4
Sarah Rock 1
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Susannah Hopkiss 15

marriage?
Name: James Rock
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Marriage Date: 19 Nov 1832
Marriage Place: Rowley-Regis, Stafford, England
Spouse: Sarah Hopkiss
FHL Film Number: 350500

could be these

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Re: Rock/Powell Confusion

Postby grangers14 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:47 am

Thanks for your help :)
Been side tracked following other things...
Will get back to this.
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Re: Rock/Powell Confusion

Postby mumbles » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:11 am

Jo,
of children of William Rock on bcc
Elizabeth Powell married William Siviter her father William Rock noted witnesses are John and Phoebe Tonkiss ( nee Siviter). Phoebe later married Thomas Powell
Thomas Powell married Phoebe Tonkiss (nee Siviter) as previously married to John Tonkiss father noted as William Rock
Eliza Powell married Gideon Steventon no father noted but witnesses are William and Elizabeth Siviter

Most likely explanation is that William Rock and Mary Powell did not marry so children used Powell surname when they married but shown as Rock on Cesus

The above children are obviously connected but

Need to find marriages of other children to see father noted
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Re: Rock/Powell Confusion

Postby grangers14 » Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:06 am

Hmmm...
I will archive for now and see what I can get.
Thanks everyone :)
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